Some healers make me panic

[DacienSanderon]

If they are in tank stance I heal at 25% and if they are dps stance I heal at 5%. They usually die, but they get the message.

[DacienSanderon]

I wish that more healers could do this. I keep seeing PUG healers DPSing to the point the tank dies and I wind up tanking anywhere from 1-7 mobs as a SAM/MCH when the tank dies. I sincerely feel healer deeps needs to be hit again.

In dungeons the purpose of the tank is to let healers dps as much as possible. Otherwise you might as well just have 3 dps to heal.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

In dungeons the purpose of the tank is to let healers dps as much as possible. Otherwise you might as well just have 3 dps to heal.

"Reasonably". If the tanks dying because the healer is prioritizing their own meter instead of their job, then they are objectively failing to do their one job as a healer and should be promptly replaced at the first opportunity.

[DacienSanderon]

Also clemency in a big pull can actually be a good thing, you lose a holy spirit (around 440 potency with requiescat and shield oath) or a total eclipse (around 120 potency per target with fof and shield oath), gravity or holy would beat those two. Idk how sch aoe fares though, haven't checked their dps rotation.

Except clemency heals for less than half a cure 2. So you lose 2 paladin gcd vs just 1 healer gcd.

[Shurrikhan]

Except clemency heals for less than half a cure 2. So you lose 2 paladin gcd vs just 1 healer gcd.

Not with slaying accessories, it doesn't. With Req-Conv I crit Clemency for 24k, or hit for 14k+ with Req alone. That is damn close to the healing of a Cure II, and regular hit to regular hit outperforms Adloquiem.

Why are people so apt to forgo primary stat for a mere extra couple GCDs of health, when the difference in accessories could make back that freed healer time every Requiescat, on top of better holding enmity and contributing damage? Its like somehow trading Mind for Piety. Boggles the mind.

[DacienSanderon]

"Reasonably". If the tanks dying because the healer is prioritizing their own meter instead of their job, then they are objectively failing to do their one job as a healer and should be promptly replaced at the first opportunity.

Under the assumption that the tank has done everything they could, yes. Chances are that is not the case, and the tank should be replaced.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Under the assumption that the tank has done everything they could, yes. Chances are that is not the case, and the tank should be replaced.

Sorry, but if I die after using my two equilibrium, Vengeance, Anticipation, Rampart, ToB+Conv, Holm, and even raw intuition depending on how many mobs are still alive, I'm definitely going to be kicking the healer. :3 Or ignoring their requests for megapulls because they clearly can't handle it.

[Pells]

Sorry, but if I die after using my two equilibrium, Vengeance, Anticipation, Rampart, ToB+Conv, Holm, and even raw intuition depending on how many mobs are still alive, I'm definitely going to be kicking the healer. :3 Or ignoring their requests for megapulls because they clearly can't handle it.

If you can use all that and things still aren't dead, it's the dps you should be replacing.

[Maku]

Can the tank community please decide on a consensus. Do you want us healers to push DPS or not? We get shit on and yelled at if we do or if we don't and it is kupoing annoying.

If you don't die then suck it up and keep moving. We care about your HP not your feelings.

[winsock]

Can the tank community please decide on a consensus. Do you want us healers to push DPS or not? We get shit on and yelled at if we do or if we don't and it is kupoing annoying.

If you don't die then suck it up and keep moving. We care about your HP not your feelings.

You seem to misunderstand. Party DPS is priority.
If you do something like Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II and my hp gets low, I am very likely to use clemency instead of eclipse, causing a dps loss. If I'm on war, the low hp might make me kite and cause some AoE attacks from the DPS classes to not hit all targets.

Alternatively, you could have cast Holy, cure II, holy, cure II, and provided identical dps contribution for the same time period, without me casting clemency or kiting, which would have resulted in better party dps.

Don't let us go low just because