Some healers make me panic

[Maku]

You seem to misunderstand. Party DPS is priority.
If you do something like Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II and my hp gets low, I am very likely to use clemency instead of eclipse, causing a dps loss. If I'm on war, the low hp might make me kite and cause some AoE attacks from the DPS classes to not hit all targets.

Alternatively, you could have cast Holy, cure II, holy, cure II, and provided identical dps contribution for the same time period, without me casting clemency or kiting, which would have resulted in better party dps.

Don't let us go low just because

That is not how a proper healer would do any of what you just said. Especially an AST.
I will let you get as low as is safe while I pump out DPS when I have the whole party (including myself) under a balance or an arrow. Curing during either of those would give me a DPS lose. If you start to kite you are a HORRIBLE TANK!!! Kiting will never save the tank. If you cast clemency because "you" get scared that is your own fault for not trusting your healer.

Just like a new boy friends or girl friend you shouldn't assume that a new healer is as poor as your past healers and trust them until they fail your trust.

I can heal you from near 0 to full with one oGCD on WHM, and in the same time frame as 1 GCD on AST. My DPS spamming out does your one use of clemency over a DPS spell and thus it is a DPS gain for the party.

Good healers who push DPS burst heal. Your idea of DPS,cure,DPS,cure is a total DPS loss of the party.

[winsock]

That is not how a proper healer would do any of what you just said.
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Good healers who push DPS burst heal. Your idea of DPS,cure,DPS,cure is a total DPS loss of the party.

Explain how:
Holy, Cure II, Holy, Cure II
is less effective than
Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II

This is the exact same amount of healing and damage. The tanks hp just doesnt drop as far with the first option.

If you start to kite you are a HORRIBLE TANK!!! Kiting will never save the tank. If you cast clemency because "you" get scared that is your own fault for not trusting your healer.

Do you play tank at all? Kiting will save the party from a wipe in a pinch.
Ex: Does your tank start taking more damage during the pull, or after he stops?
Are we playing the same game?
Kiting will reduce incoming damage. It is a last resort, but can save engagements that would otherwise end in a wipe.

Just like a new boy friends or girl friend you shouldn't assume that a new healer is as poor as your past healers and trust them until they fail your trust.

Did you level your level 60 tank completely through fates / PoTD? I am having a serious time believing you have tanked anything... or have done any serious pulls.

Immediately trusting a PUG healer is just asking for a wipe.

My DPS spamming out does your one use of clemency over a DPS spell and thus it is a DPS gain for the party.

How about single target? Or what if im playing WAR?

[Galgarion]

Can the tank community please decide on a consensus. Do you want us healers to push DPS or not? We get shit on and yelled at if we do or if we don't and it is kupoing annoying.

If you don't die then suck it up and keep moving. We care about your HP not your feelings.

DPS away, brah. If I live, you're a hero. If I die, you suck. If you can handle those extremes, then do your thing, baby.

[Maku]

DPS away, brah. If I live, you're a hero. If I die, you suck. If you can handle those extremes, then do your thing, baby.

You're my hero.

On a real note: most the confusion of when we healers should heal comes from people who don't know healers kits. Each healer has what I call a burst healing rotation that can instantly heal a VIT tank to full from pretty much 1hp. If people understood this and how we utilize it, I think things would be much better. That being said, I have tried to explain this in various areas but of course there are people who ignore it and say I am wrong.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Who the hell starts to kite because their health is 30-50%?

[Tinkerblue]

It is boring keeping a tank at >50% HP all the time. I enjoy dpsing because it gives me something to do and I have a few things in my kit that will instantly bring the tank/party health back up. Tanks have cooldowns too. I'd think y'all be bored never popping those as well. That said, I have overextended and wiped the party before. I learn from it and keep enjoying my job.

[Derio]

As long as I don't die, then it's ok.

[RubenSnizzle]

If you're a pld just clemency your bum, if the healer complains, tell him whats on your mind about his dpsin and him noticing you low as hell and he uses his panic healing cause he went tunnel vision, same thing for warrior, pop inner beast, equilibrium and a max potion, won't give as much as clemency spam, but its gonna ease your mind and tell the healer 'Heal me k?'.

[347SPECTRE]

If you're a pld just clemency your bum, if the healer complains, tell him whats on your mind about his dpsin and him noticing you low as hell and he uses his panic healing cause he went tunnel vision, same thing for warrior, pop inner beast, equilibrium and a max potion, won't give as much as clemency spam, but its gonna ease your mind and tell the healer 'Heal me k?'.

And DRK is pretty much screwed, DA Soul Eater is laughable at best, and DA + AD is only effective in large groups, and not very effective to begin with.

[DacienSanderon]

Not with slaying accessories, it doesn't. With Req-Conv I crit Clemency for 24k, or hit for 14k+ with Req alone. That is damn close to the healing of a Cure II, and regular hit to regular hit outperforms Adloquiem.

Why are people so apt to forgo primary stat for a mere extra couple GCDs of health, when the difference in accessories could make back that freed healer time every Requiescat, on top of better holding enmity and contributing damage? Its like somehow trading Mind for Piety. Boggles the mind.

They make lvl 70 str accessories with tenacity? Also, this thread has nothing to do with vit vs str argument.