Thread: 4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

Originally Posted by CapricaLangley

I'm starting to see a lot of comments about bard and utlilty. Bard has not to be low because of it, but because he can non stop dps for the whole fight no matter which mechanic is occurring.
EDIT: I mean, he has to be low, and moreover lower than machinist

No matter what mechanic? What about jails? How about mandatory stuns. Face aways. DPS stops. Jumps. Add burn phases. Melee have for years been using tricks in order to maximize their uptime through mechanics. And yet BRD should be the lower than even the worst case scenario of melee uptime because...?

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

No matter what mechanic? What about jails? How about mandatory stuns. Face aways. DPS stops. Jumps. Add burn phases. Melee have for years been using tricks in order to maximize their uptime through mechanics. And yet BRD should be the lower than even the worst case scenario of melee uptime because...?

BRD has 9 utility skills, on top of being mobile. I understand those mechanics literally stop you from doing anything but what about the other half of mechanics that a BRD can still continue to do their thing with no hindrance? Oh you need to stack? Keep shooting. Oh you need to dodge Thunder 3? Np just keep shooting.

It makes "sense" for them to be lower but I think that has more to do with the DRG nerfs, and with so much of their kit revolving around crit, in later tiers they will be back to end of HW DPS.

Bringing so much to a raid team on top of being the most unaffected DPS class when it comes to mechanics = lower than the rest.

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

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What? If a BRD did the same damage as a SAM with its near 100% uptime, why on earth would you bring any other class? Did you not play 2.0 where teams ran 4 bards because their damage was bonkers, they did it all while moving, and still had tons of utility? Like how can you not see that?

Even with taking away their defensive utility and just leaving the damage utility, BRD still fits 2 of the criteria's for having low dps based on what Yoshi P said. More utility than DRG and extremely high mobility, yea it makes sense why they are lower on the DPS chart, and even then, it not by that much.

Originally Posted by MiruWest

What? If a BRD did the same damage as a SAM with its near 100% uptime, why on earth would you bring any other class? Did you not play 2.0 where teams ran 4 bards because their damage was bonkers, they did it all while moving, and still had tons of utility? Like how can you not see that?

Even with taking away their defensive utility and just leaving the damage utility, BRD still fits 2 of the criteria's for having low dps based on what Yoshi P said. More utility than DRG and extremely high mobility, yea it makes sense why they are lower on the DPS chart, and even then, it not by that much.

It's not about doing the same DPS. It's about contributing the same pool. If Brds 1.7% DPS increase lined up with it's overall DPS increase it should be balance with every other job. Maybe slightly weaker to make up for the fact that things like Brotherhood, Devotion, Contagion/Shining Emerald, and Embolden don't flat increase rDPS. So in a perfect world a BRD at 50%-90% would do less than 4% than the next highest (factoring rDPS and p DPS contribution) Then, from there, the higher the melee was able to keep his uptime, the higher he would be over BRD. That is not unreasonable.

Ninja was very CLEARLY balanced with that in mind. Because their personal DPS is lower but their rDPS is higher. But that's not the case. The tiers are all over the place. And while you put BRD on a pedestal Ninja's literally flat out provide a higher rDPS increase while doing far more damage. This, my friend, is not balance.