Thread: 4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

Originally Posted by Sunako

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I did, I dont think anyone could objectively prove which has greater uptime over all content without serious data crunching. I dont even think those logs service as any kind of grand proof of concept. They are just a data point suggesting that under certain circumstances a BLM can achieve higher uptime than a melee like SAM. Those circumstances vary and dont account for the vast dps difference between the two jobs, as I have said. However, if that base premise is true (that melee are greater effected by mechs) it would mean that making BLM=SAM or BLM>SAM in terms of dps would effectively make SAM obsolete.

Originally Posted by Chronons

I did, I dont think anyone could objectively prove which has greater uptime over all content without serious data crunching. I dont even think those logs service as any kind of grand proof of concept. They are just a data point suggesting that under certain circumstances a BLM can achieve higher uptime than a melee like SAM. Those circumstances vary and dont account for the vast dps difference between the two jobs, as I have said. However, if that base premise is true (that melee are greater effected by mechs) it would mean that making BLM=SAM or BLM>SAM in terms of dps would effectively make SAM obsolete.

SAM brings slashing debuff, if you don't have WAR you could bring a SAM instead of NIN. And if you are saying that you would always bring NIN, maybe NIN needs a nerf.

Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

SAM brings slashing debuff, if you don't have WAR you could bring a SAM instead of NIN. And if you are saying that you would always bring NIN, maybe NIN needs a nerf.

I think its been obvious for a while that NIN needs a nerf, I don't know of any serious comp that doesn't have one - even back in 3.X. I was shocked that it was actually buffed for SB.

Originally Posted by Chronons

However, if that base premise is true (that melee are greater effected by mechs) it would mean that making BLM=SAM or BLM>SAM in terms of dps would effectively make SAM obsolete.

Well in case of BLM it's totally not true. Also BLM=SAM result in lower BLMs dps in real content.

Originally Posted by Osh1mA

Well in case of BLM it's totally not true. Also BLM=SAM result in lower BLMs dps in real content.

I respect that many caster players here think that, I just dont see that as having been the case in the past or any evidence to suggest it to be so now. And why would BLM=SAM result in lower dps for BLM in real content?

Originally Posted by Chronons

I respect that many caster players here think that, I just dont see that as having been the case in the past or any evidence to suggest it to be so now. And why would BLM=SAM result in lower dps for BLM in real content?

It's a indisputable and known fact that movement is gutting BLMs DPS very hard. Saying that BLM is less punished by mechanics is laughable.
At this point I think enough people already showed you why you are wrong. It's time to let it go imo...

Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

At this point I think enough people already showed you why you are wrong. It's time to let it go imo...

A lot of people have said I am wrong, not so much on the showing. But I agree about letting go, we will see next week what happens with BLM. If SE makes them stronger than SAM then I will most certainly have been in the wrong.

Originally Posted by Chronons

A lot of people have said I am wrong, not so much on the showing.

Even your own data suggesting you're wrong...

Originally Posted by Osh1mA

Even your own data suggesting you're wrong...

How exactly?