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    silentwindfr's Avatar
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    Florence Leduc
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    it's still a utility, like apocastasie...without forget the fact that blm have lucid dream that wipe them hate, when no melee (outside the dragoon have this chance) even the ninja with his tool for control aggro can simply give the aggro of the next attack he will do.

    people seems to forget a lot of the toolkit and simply want them main to be the strongest, i will repeat it, blm mustn't be at the same level than the melee... a lot of fight force the melee to loose dps, not a lot of them allows a uptime decent. without forget the fact that you have a better visibility of the fight from ranged what the melee can't really have....

    anyway, it's a pointless talk, Yoshida have talk age ago about the balance and said that ranged will never be the best dps.

    finally a very very very important point.... in the final fantasy series, the best dps.... is the summoner, the only one that can wipe a whole group in one attack, not the black mage that simply the caster dps that have a good versatibility because of the weakness of the enemy. often it's not even the best jobs for get a max of damage dealt in the group.... just saying.
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    Elnidfse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
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    Defensive utility don't matter when it comes to balancing DPS.

    I already touched upon this in my previous LIVE letter, but I'd like to take the opportunity to clarify balance among DPS roles.

    Recently, samurai damage has been the subject of much debate, prompting many comparisons between jobs. In bringing samurai in line with other jobs, however, we not only look at solo damage values, but take all of the following into account:
    1. Damage dealt when solo.
    2. Susceptibility to mechanics (jobs affected more by mechanics deal slightly more solo damage, and vice versa).
    3. Ability to raise a full party's total damage.

    For instance, dragoon can greatly increase party members' damage, but deals less solo damage than samurai. In contrast, samurai boasts high solo damage, but cannot do much to increase party damage. Things such as the aforementioned susceptibility and the ability to perform ranged attacks are also considered.

    We can't say with absolute certainty that the values will be perfect from the start, and it will be difficult to get a feel for the adjustments before they are released alongside Omega: Deltascape (Savage). For now, we will work towards applying those changes deemed necessary to 4.05, and we look forward to your feedback after you have played the raid.


    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    Yoshida have talk age ago about the balance and said that ranged will never be the best dps.
    He never said that either. And funny you mention lucid dreaming when melee can also control their, enmity in a different way by using diversion.

    people seems to forget a lot of the toolkit and simply want them main to be the strongest
    Wrong again. I don't even play BLM. I do however have two eyes.

    finally a very very very important point.... in the final fantasy series, the best dps.... is the summoner, the only one that can wipe a whole group in one attack, not the black mage that simply the caster dps that have a good versatibility because of the weakness of the enemy. often it's not even the best jobs for get a max of damage dealt in the group.... just saying.
    I made a long list explaining why that was not always true for every final fantasy but I realized it's way off topic. You are woefully incorrect in your statement, however.
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    Last edited by Elnidfse; 07-15-2017 at 02:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    it's still a utility, like apocastasie...without forget the fact that blm have lucid dream that wipe them hate, when no melee (outside the dragoon have this chance) even the ninja with his tool for control aggro can simply give the aggro of the next attack he will do.
    What? All casters have apoc and lucid... And all DPS have diversion in their cross skills to deal with aggro. How is this even relevant? You can't count cross skills as job utility.
    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    blm mustn't be at the same level than the melee... a lot of fight force the melee to loose dps, not a lot of them allows a uptime decent.
    Like literally - wtf am I reading? Any(ANY) movement will force BLM to lose dps, meaning most mechanics will make them lose dps. It probably the most punished by movement job of them all, can't even compare to any melee.
    Now does it mean BLM should have as much dps as SAM? Probably no, but it should be comparable to SAM and not SMN lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    finally a very very very important point.... in the final fantasy series, the best dps.... is the summoner, the only one that can wipe a whole group in one attack, not the black mage that simply the caster dps that have a good versatibility because of the weakness of the enemy. often it's not even the best jobs for get a max of damage dealt in the group.... just saying.
    And how exactly is this very very(very) important?
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    because you are coming asking something that will not only break the balance of the game but are trying to get something that was never the case... when was the last time that blm was better than the melee in terms of dps? never...

    do the blm loose dps because he is not positioned right? do he need to run away from the boss and return to the boss (like on exdeath from the thunder 2) or must move from the position because of some mechanic that simply cover a part of the boss leading to a net loose of dps? do the blm need to pay attention to where the boss look for be sure to not take a cleave....

    strangely no... the trouble with the blm is they cry because they can't dps all the time without be bothered... but that part of the jobs.. that what will decide which is a good and a bad blackmage, the one that know how fast return to the fight.

    do you see the melee cry because the boss force them to move away and loose the time to return to the fight... or the monk cry because a boss vanish and make them loose greese lightning? no they deal with it. blm have become worst than children... they want all handled. no difficulty and simply be able to toss tons of damage without be bothered... but hey great news is not wow, mage will not be the best dps. because well it's one of the jobs the less affected by the fight... try melee you will see.... even fight like suzano and lakshmi are a pain for us... all the time i loose positional or must move from the boss loosing buff and such...
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