Thread: 4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

Originally Posted by MiruWest

BRD has 9 utility skills, on top of being mobile. I understand those mechanics literally stop you from doing anything but what about the other half of mechanics that a BRD can still continue to do their thing with no hindrance? Oh you need to stack? Keep shooting. Oh you need to dodge Thunder 3? Np just keep shooting.

It makes "sense" for them to be lower but I think that has more to do with the DRG nerfs, and with so much of their kit revolving around crit, in later tiers they will be back to end of HW DPS.

It makes no sense for them to be lower. If they are balanced around being 100% up. Then there 100% uptime should equal other jobs if they have sub 100% uptime and fall under the closer they get to 100% uptime. But that's NOT the situation we're in right now. Is it?

And you make it sound like DPS don't just stack on the boss and continue to DPS. And please. Please don't bring up defensive support. Yoshi has already made it clear that's not taken into consideration when balancing a jobs personal DPS.

When balancing RDM's damage against their utility, I'd separate heal and rez from Embolden (physical dps group buff). Embolden falls in line with other job buffs that don't come at the expense of your personal dps. You just hit that button and pew pew. When a RDM uses their heal and rez utility, however, it comes at a dps loss. So I wouldn't nerf RDM's dps just because they can heal and rez. You know if a RDM in your group is needing to use their heal and rez utility that their dps isn't optimal (not only are they skipping a high damage spell but they didn't charge their balance meter either). It's situational utility also versus Embolden which is just an always "Yes I'm going to absolutely use this on every fight" utility.

It's not about how it affects their dps. It's about how likely a party is to choose them over other classes. The utility a RDM brings to the table compensates for a lower damage. If I had a BLM and a RDM who do the same amount of damage and let's say the BLM has embolden too, I would still choose the RDM because of cure and raise.

Originally Posted by KuroTenshi

I actually like what someone mentioned about melee and ranged. Ranged can take the place of melee, but melee cannot take the place of ranged. If melee do less damage than ranged there's no reason to bring melee. Optimally you'd take as many ranged to every fight as you can even now. But currently due to melee dps(sam/mnk) and utility(nin/drg) you still want to keep at least two melee.

1) Ranged DPS would have to do MORE than melee while also being more RELIABLE in their DPS. Neither of these two conditions are true. In fact, they're so not true that you'd be better off taking 3 melee and 1 RDM and in fact the fastest times have done just that.
2) Try to remember stacking jobs and that association with limit breaks
3) Ranged physical can not take the place of melee. In fact, you don't even have to take a ranged physical DPS at all. While you shouldn't do 4 melee DPS. 3 melee and 1 caster works just fine and is actually a better solution than 3 melee and 1 ranged physical.
4) DRG should not be mentioned. Their rDPS contribution does not balance out their low damage.

Originally Posted by Aysen

It's not about how it affects their dps. It's about how likely a party is to choose them over other classes. The utility a RDM brings to the table compensates for a lower damage. If I had a BLM and a RDM who do the same amount of damage and let's say the BLM has embolden too, I would still choose the RDM because of cure and raise.

Their lower damage? On average RDM is HIGHER than other DPS.... The icing on the cake is that they have cure and raise.

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

Their lower damage? On average RDM is HIGHER than other DPS.... The icing on the cake is that they have cure and raise.

I was referring to a hypothetical situation wherein two equally skilled players are playing RDM and BLM respectively and the two classes are perfectly balanced. Now I change the scenario and give cure and raise to RDM. As a result their dps is now below that of the BLM. As a static leader, despite the fact that the RDM does slightly less dps, I will choose the RDM because of his added utility.

I simply wanted to state that skills that lower a class's dps should still be taken into account when determining their overall dps ranking. A class that lacks utility must compensate for it by having something else such as higher dps.

Hopefully, we can all agree that SE wants every class to be equally desireable as a member of any party.