Thread: 4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

Originally Posted by Chronons

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Hi. I'm Galvuu's Monk.
It's a different character because I wanted a burly Roe lady to punch things and not a tiny, skinny catgirl.
It's a different service account because I wanted retainer space very badly (and be able to have both characters logged on at the same time for crafting).
I never post with it because I'm a caster main and I'm pretty sure it's against the forum rules.
I don't comment on MNK threads because, as I play much less MNK than BLM/SMN/RDM/AST/SCH/WHM, I don't think I have the level of expertise required to provide valuable input.
Glad to have been of service.

(You keep spouting this fallacy nonsense, and your only counterpoint was providing a single top parse. Back to my main account).

Originally Posted by Sunako

By that logic samurai should be behind majority of dps because their aoe is kinda top tier compared other classes.

Still doesn't really approach Blm or Smn, beats out Rdm.

Nin has really good AoE now and Mnks AoE was always pretty solid for melee as well. Drgs is kind of flat though.

Originally Posted by Chronons

In fact heres the best BLM and SAM reports on the site for Susano.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/k94fg...pe=damage-done
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/V9kja...pe=damage-done

Did you notice blm and samurai encounter time is different. If encounter take longer % time of downtime(sword phase) is smaller and your uptime is higher. Longer the enounter is, higher your uptime is in susano if you are lucky enough and not get into stun by mechanics in susano. Thats why majority of best parses have like 8 - 9min enounter time and 6min speed kills have little lower personal dps.

Any melee that does not know how to keep up high uptime on a boss, unless the mechanics physically makes the boss disappear from the arena, is a bad melee. Seriously.
The only class that horribly affected now by mechanics are BLMs. SMNs to a smaller degree.

There are so so so many things you can do as a melee to keep uptime on the boss. If people are not capable of doing it, then it's not the problem of the archetype. It's the player.

People talking as if AoE mattered in savage.

Let's remember how many AoE intensive fights were in Alexander:

A2 -> Trash fight
A5 -> Killing the pigs (usually with AoE LB)
A6 -> Killing adds (another AoE LB)
A12 -> Killing adds probably the only fight with A2 that it mattered AoE

WoW So basically you will run a BLM in 2 out of 12 fights since A5 and A6 can be done with a Ranged LB. AoE Doesn't matter at all.

Originally Posted by Sunako

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I did, I dont think anyone could objectively prove which has greater uptime over all content without serious data crunching. I dont even think those logs service as any kind of grand proof of concept. They are just a data point suggesting that under certain circumstances a BLM can achieve higher uptime than a melee like SAM. Those circumstances vary and dont account for the vast dps difference between the two jobs, as I have said. However, if that base premise is true (that melee are greater effected by mechs) it would mean that making BLM=SAM or BLM>SAM in terms of dps would effectively make SAM obsolete.

Originally Posted by Chronons

I did, I dont think anyone could objectively prove which has greater uptime over all content without serious data crunching. I dont even think those logs service as any kind of grand proof of concept. They are just a data point suggesting that under certain circumstances a BLM can achieve higher uptime than a melee like SAM. Those circumstances vary and dont account for the vast dps difference between the two jobs, as I have said. However, if that base premise is true (that melee are greater effected by mechs) it would mean that making BLM=SAM or BLM>SAM in terms of dps would effectively make SAM obsolete.

SAM brings slashing debuff, if you don't have WAR you could bring a SAM instead of NIN. And if you are saying that you would always bring NIN, maybe NIN needs a nerf.