Thread: 4.05 DPS Ranking Expectations

Any melee that does not know how to keep up high uptime on a boss, unless the mechanics physically makes the boss disappear from the arena, is a bad melee. Seriously.
The only class that horribly affected now by mechanics are BLMs. SMNs to a smaller degree.

There are so so so many things you can do as a melee to keep uptime on the boss. If people are not capable of doing it, then it's not the problem of the archetype. It's the player.

People talking as if AoE mattered in savage.

Let's remember how many AoE intensive fights were in Alexander:

A2 -> Trash fight
A5 -> Killing the pigs (usually with AoE LB)
A6 -> Killing adds (another AoE LB)
A12 -> Killing adds probably the only fight with A2 that it mattered AoE

WoW So basically you will run a BLM in 2 out of 12 fights since A5 and A6 can be done with a Ranged LB. AoE Doesn't matter at all.

If BRD is this low because of the "utility" Clause than NIN need to be down here with RDM and MCH and DRG needs to be higher. But that's not what's going to happen. 4.05 is going to roll around and absolutely nothing is going to change.

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

If BRD is this low because of the "utility" Clause than NIN need to be down here with RDM and MCH and DRG needs to be higher. But that's not what's going to happen. 4.05 is going to roll around and absolutely nothing is going to change.

I'm starting to see a lot of comments about bard and utlilty. Bard has not to be low because of it, but because he can non stop dps for the whole fight no matter which mechanic is ocurring.
EDIT: I mean, he has to be low, and moreover lower than machinist

Originally Posted by CapricaLangley

I'm starting to see a lot of comments about bard and utlilty. Bard has not to be low because of it, but because he can non stop dps for the whole fight no matter which mechanic is occurring.
EDIT: I mean, he has to be low, and moreover lower than machinist

No matter what mechanic? What about jails? How about mandatory stuns. Face aways. DPS stops. Jumps. Add burn phases. Melee have for years been using tricks in order to maximize their uptime through mechanics. And yet BRD should be the lower than even the worst case scenario of melee uptime because...?

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

No matter what mechanic? What about jails? How about mandatory stuns. Face aways. DPS stops. Jumps. Add burn phases. Melee have for years been using tricks in order to maximize their uptime through mechanics. And yet BRD should be the lower than even the worst case scenario of melee uptime because...?

BRD has 9 utility skills, on top of being mobile. I understand those mechanics literally stop you from doing anything but what about the other half of mechanics that a BRD can still continue to do their thing with no hindrance? Oh you need to stack? Keep shooting. Oh you need to dodge Thunder 3? Np just keep shooting.

It makes "sense" for them to be lower but I think that has more to do with the DRG nerfs, and with so much of their kit revolving around crit, in later tiers they will be back to end of HW DPS.

Bringing so much to a raid team on top of being the most unaffected DPS class when it comes to mechanics = lower than the rest.

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

If BRD is this low because of the "utility" Clause than NIN need to be down here with RDM and MCH and DRG needs to be higher. But that's not what's going to happen. 4.05 is going to roll around and absolutely nothing is going to change.

When 4.05 becomes live one thing I think will happen. There will be a whole lot less of the DRG...

They really need to put BLM at the top of the totem pole when it comes to damage. That's all it really has, and it's punished more by mechanics than SAM. They also need to reassess the 4.0 rotation situation because doing a 3.0 rotation without Blizzard IV shouldn't be nearly identical in DPS but also afford tons of extra leeway for mechanics.

And of course MCH needs help badly. I'm also interested to see what they're going to do with DRK. I wouldn't be surprised about a blood price change.

Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

They also need to reassess the 4.0 rotation situation because doing a 3.0 rotation without Blizzard IV shouldn't be nearly identical in DPS but also afford tons of extra leeway for mechanics.

It's not just nearly identical, it's better than using the '4.0 rotation.' I'm doing a whole 500 DPS more only using blizzard IV when convert is or about to be ready.