How Would Viera Fit In XIVs lore?

[Skivvy]

And as I said, just because players want a thing, that does not make it a good idea. And some players wanting something is certainly not an objective reason for doing it.

Just because you don't like a race doesn't mean it's a bad idea to bring it into the game. Also, you may have noticed, but a large chunk of XIV is all about fan-service. Honestly, they wouldn't be any worse than miqo'te or au ra. Cutesy little characters with a few animals bits slapped on.

[Shurrikhan]

1) SE themselves stated Viera were the most requested race in the older new race polls in ARR and 1.0 days. The devs themselves even drafted up pages and pages of concept art, the best of which was released in the Stone and Steel artbook.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936
A quick google search will give you much of the concept art.

He also VERY RECENTLY stated that Viera is not off the table. https://www.finder.com.au/final-fant...ormblood-viera

2)Explain to me why this is a bad idea?

I mean objectively give reasons why adding a highly demanded and beloved race found in FF canon would only be a bad thing?

Tastes mean nothing if you are a jerk.

It'd certainly do little favor to any beloved race or point of FF cannon if that race is merely dropped into the game as a sale point with near-zero context (as per Au Ra).

At present SE cannot even provide half-decent cloth physics, but a few face choices, any unbound facial features (e.g. horn choices), etc. While there's certainly nothing inherently bad about adding something, keep in mind that what you add hastily can never be fully repaired. Later revisions to plot connection or race introduction, for instance, are only felt by players new to the connective content.

In short, what's the hurry, especially when there's so much to improve upon that can only make the introduction of said race more satisfying? If it means so much to you, shouldn't your emphasis be on its surrounding content, such as the themes and locales of the expansion in which it may be released, and the level of detail available to players?

Personally I couldn't care less whether or not Viera are entered if they somehow manage to seem at least as aesthetically pleasing and contextualized as the currently available races. If not, they'll be an eyesore to me. Simple as that. There are some versions of the Viera I find okay, others I find ugly. That's just personal taste. Personally, I would take almost any other popular race idea over them, unless there were intriguing lore ideas that demand they be and look as Viera (which there could easily be).

[Kyuuen]

XIV had an official race poll, and Viera won. Every week or so, a new Viera thread pops up. There are giant forum posts of Viera threads. Yoshi P is constantly addressing questions about them. It is the most requested race.

No. No they did not. Mammalian demi-beastmen was part of said vote you are referring to, in which Viera was used as an example to explain what that category was. Stop claiming this bs narrative as fact.

D-Dalmasca?

Well.. Considering YP stepped into the public space to talk about Viera shortly before HW released... It seems silly to say it's not a highly requested feature.. Not to mention the many polls.. including this one.

Yoshi-P stepped out to talk about it due to concept art being shown that he didn't want shown. Said concept art being that of the Au'Ra being drawn as Viera.

1) SE themselves stated Viera were the most requested race in the older new race polls in ARR and 1.0 days. The devs themselves even drafted up pages and pages of concept art, the best of which was released in the Stone and Steel artbook.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936
A quick google search will give you much of the concept art.

He also VERY RECENTLY stated that Viera is not off the table. https://www.finder.com.au/final-fant...ormblood-viera

Again no, Mammalian demi-beastmen was the winner with Viera being used as an example to explain what that category was. In which said "Viera" concept art, was of the Au'Ra but drawn as Viera.

It's cool if you guys want Viera, but stop with this bs fact bending to fit your narratives.

[Ametrine]

Snip.

"Hybrids" since have been added as storyline only. SE had the reason of character creation contraints preventing that from being done well. I'm inclined to agree.

But Hilda and Arenwald exist, and instead use regular models with certain iconic details added. Even Garleans are rendered this way, usually only unique from neck up.



The difference with Viera is the fact Ivalician themed areas have been namedropped all over FFXIV itself and Viera was actually considered. Yoshi-P won't put his foot down and say no, not happening. He's not against it, but he understandably wants FFXIV to have it's own unique twists on things. So, Au Ra came first.

If it's an issue of taste, that's an entirely different matter.

But, the conversation proposed here was not if you want or don't want a Viera inspired race, it's how tlsaid race could fit with established lore of FFXIV now accounting for SB's larger world and new races.

[DamianFatale]

This isn't an argument on whether or not you want Viera. If you want to argue about that, go to a Viera new race thread. This is about lore, and how it would fit in. I was hoping for a well thought out discusssion, not arguments that run in circles. This is simply an idea thread. It was supposed to be positive. Please stop ruining my thread.

[FallenArisen0990]

The reason I don't want Vieras in the game, is cuz SE won't do them any justice and only be adding to the problem with lack of CC. Thus, giving SE more ammo to use as an excuse that it will be too time consuming to add stuff to the old races.

[Shurrikhan]

Alright, I'll try to make something here actually on topic.

Originally, well before Stormblood was previewed, some friends and I were talking about potential expansions. In particular, I wanted to explore the fringes of Eorzea prior to Ala Mhigo, focusing on the deep Shroud, far desert areas (I had not expected Ala Mhigo to basically just be more Thanalan in itself), and some very interesting places to the North, in sort of this mysterious near-Sharlayan area. That last area in particular lent a lot to the sort of mind****y feel to this proposed expansion. In that area there was a Beasttribe for whom cultural thought to a degree became reality within their set area. If they determined that the idea of a dragon with a small wingspan flying was laughable, one that could in fact fly just before entering their valleys would then quickly be reduced to gliding or plummeting from the skies. Their ancestral aspects and beliefs warped their own features, such that although each tribe may be genetically identical, they looked like vastly different beastmen.

The Viera, or an iteration thereof, was one such tribe who understood the subtleties of the Vale, and its transformative logics, and were encouraged to pick their own connections to given other tribes for themselves, becoming sort of... moderators among the peoples of the Vale, and the keepers of its mythic beasts, whose characteristics changed with the peoples', and the beasts' own, thoughts and stories, or grudges and connections respectively. They were at once part of the other tribes, or the aspects to which those tribes had connected, and their own central Viera tribe, sometimes accepted, sometimes only half-accepted, but dutiful and loyal regardless. The Viera tribe, therefore, was your gate-way into the lore of the Vale, and allowed for the player to essentially become Viera, with time and quest progress, thereby forgoing the need for Fantasia but requiring context for its own (player) introduction.

[Yellow]

I thought playing FF12 The Zodiac Age would quell my need for Viera but it's only fanned the flames~

Viera or bust, babes.

[Roda]

I thought playing FF12 The Zodiac Age would quell my need for Viera but it's only franned the flames~

Viera or bust, babes.

Fixed it for you. ;P


And yeah on topic, i think it would be fairly easy to create lore for them. We've got a lot of map that has yet to be explored. And depending how this new 24man raid plays out, they might even already exist on hydaelyn's "ivalice"

[Altena]

They added bunny ears to the gold saucer for a reason.

If you want to be a bunny girl so much, just wear the ears.