How Would Viera Fit In XIVs lore?

[Kaedan]

1) The poll to which you are referring was for "Mammalian demi-beastman", not Viera (though Viera was an example). And it was closely followed by "Mixed race", such as half elezen, half hyur.

2) Forums are not a valid metric or evidence for any claims. They are by their very nature self-select, which is far more than enough to cause crippling sampling error just on it's own, not to even mention method of sampling.

3) Hyperbole. Yoshi-P is not "constantly addressing" question about them.

[Amirya]

How would you like your Viera?

Deader than a door nail. Eaten by dragons. Not in my forest.

Also, they're deformed humans with ears and a tail. So...not special at all.

[DamianFatale]

Just a notice, but can we not use this thread to argue character customization? It's not fair to derail my thread, and argue in circles. Viera threads are not an excuse to jump in, derail, and whine about character customization, unless it's about the subject. Make your own thread.

[Ametrine]

1) There are no reliable metrics to be able to claim it's most requested.

2) There are many things that players ask for that are not good ideas.

1) SE themselves stated Viera were the most requested race in the older new race polls in ARR and 1.0 days. The devs themselves even drafted up pages and pages of concept art, the best of which was released in the Stone and Steel artbook.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936
A quick google search will give you much of the concept art.

He also VERY RECENTLY stated that Viera is not off the table. https://www.finder.com.au/final-fant...ormblood-viera

2)Explain to me why this is a bad idea?

I mean objectively give reasons why adding a highly demanded and beloved race found in FF canon would only be a bad thing?

Tastes mean nothing if you are a jerk.

[Kaedan]

2)Explain to me why this is a bad idea?

I mean objectively give reasons why adding a highly demanded and beloved race found in FF canon would only be a bad thing?

There are no objective reasons to not implement it, just as there are no objective reasons to add them. It's all subjective.

My personal belief is that Viera are shallow, immature, and tasteless creations. They are not only ugly, but are nothing more than bunny girls.

Now true, some people don't share my opinion. Some people like them. I do not agree with them, and they do not agree with me obviously. But their reasons for wanting them are no more "objective" than my reasons for not wanting them.

And as I said, just because players want a thing, that does not make it a good idea. And some players wanting something is certainly not an objective reason for doing it.

If they add Viera, I'll obviously have to deal with it or quit playing the game (I'd have to deal with it because it's not enough to make me quit the game), but I have the right to express my opinion to SE that it would be a bad decision, and I will exercise that right.

Also, aside from the poll not being about Viera specficially (it was "Mammalian demi-beastmen"), it only received 28% of votes, which even if we accept that result statistically, isn't representative of the community and was closely matched by "hybrid races".

[Shurrikhan]

1) SE themselves stated Viera were the most requested race in the older new race polls in ARR and 1.0 days. The devs themselves even drafted up pages and pages of concept art, the best of which was released in the Stone and Steel artbook.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936
A quick google search will give you much of the concept art.

He also VERY RECENTLY stated that Viera is not off the table. https://www.finder.com.au/final-fant...ormblood-viera

2)Explain to me why this is a bad idea?

I mean objectively give reasons why adding a highly demanded and beloved race found in FF canon would only be a bad thing?

Tastes mean nothing if you are a jerk.

It'd certainly do little favor to any beloved race or point of FF cannon if that race is merely dropped into the game as a sale point with near-zero context (as per Au Ra).

At present SE cannot even provide half-decent cloth physics, but a few face choices, any unbound facial features (e.g. horn choices), etc. While there's certainly nothing inherently bad about adding something, keep in mind that what you add hastily can never be fully repaired. Later revisions to plot connection or race introduction, for instance, are only felt by players new to the connective content.

In short, what's the hurry, especially when there's so much to improve upon that can only make the introduction of said race more satisfying? If it means so much to you, shouldn't your emphasis be on its surrounding content, such as the themes and locales of the expansion in which it may be released, and the level of detail available to players?

Personally I couldn't care less whether or not Viera are entered if they somehow manage to seem at least as aesthetically pleasing and contextualized as the currently available races. If not, they'll be an eyesore to me. Simple as that. There are some versions of the Viera I find okay, others I find ugly. That's just personal taste. Personally, I would take almost any other popular race idea over them, unless there were intriguing lore ideas that demand they be and look as Viera (which there could easily be).

[Roda]

And as I said, just because players want a thing, that does not make it a good idea. And some players wanting something is certainly not an objective reason for doing it.

If they add Viera, I'll obviously have to deal with it or quit playing the game (I'd have to deal with it because it's not enough to make me quit the game), but I have the right to express my opinion to SE that it would be a bad decision, and I will exercise that right.

And yet SE decided to add in these tiny lizard waifus that exist in the same, human + animal bits character niche as miqo'tes, but even more kawaii uguu, and you don't see me storming into au ra threads arguing that they should be removed from the game because they're weirdly disfigured for not having ears or quitting the game over it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[savageink]

Every week or so, a new Viera thread pops up.

You mean the one the OP necros every couple weeks?

[Ametrine]

Snip.

"Hybrids" since have been added as storyline only. SE had the reason of character creation contraints preventing that from being done well. I'm inclined to agree.

But Hilda and Arenwald exist, and instead use regular models with certain iconic details added. Even Garleans are rendered this way, usually only unique from neck up.



The difference with Viera is the fact Ivalician themed areas have been namedropped all over FFXIV itself and Viera was actually considered. Yoshi-P won't put his foot down and say no, not happening. He's not against it, but he understandably wants FFXIV to have it's own unique twists on things. So, Au Ra came first.

If it's an issue of taste, that's an entirely different matter.

But, the conversation proposed here was not if you want or don't want a Viera inspired race, it's how tlsaid race could fit with established lore of FFXIV now accounting for SB's larger world and new races.

[DamianFatale]

This isn't an argument on whether or not you want Viera. If you want to argue about that, go to a Viera new race thread. This is about lore, and how it would fit in. I was hoping for a well thought out discusssion, not arguments that run in circles. This is simply an idea thread. It was supposed to be positive. Please stop ruining my thread.