The Raid community as we know it

[Miyha]

OP making a mountain out of a molehill. I listed to the same podcast, there was nothing wrong with the guest. He is part of a hardcore raiding guild and he talked about his experiences in it. Everyone in his groups were playing with the same goals and pretty much all hardcore raiders are the same way. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a niche community that plays by different rules. There is nothing forcing you to interact with that community and they do not effect you in any way.

This. Absolutely this.

The hardcore endgame raid community is a harsh one. Having dabbled in it myself, you need extremely thick skin. If you're offended by anything that was said on that podcast, then you flat out do not have what it takes to be a hardcore raider: simply put, you don't have the guts. :/

This is also FAR from a clear picture of the raiding community as a whole. This is the top of the top, the elite, the world firsts. There are much more relaxed and, for lack of a better term, casual raiding groups in this game. THEY make up the majority of the raiding community. If you're unaware of this you've plainly never even attempted to raid in this game and really are in absolutely no place to judge the raiding community as a whole.

[Machka]

Yeah, I'm familiar with xeno and co. Tank main here, so they're like the Harlem Globetrotters of tanking in my book.
I've listened to about an hour of the podcast now, and it all seems to mostly just be well-reasoned discussion about gameplay/classes, so I was just curious if maybe there was a segment later that was toxic or something b/c I haven't gotten that impression so far.

I guess I could see some of the earlier section might rub some people the wrong way, when they were in high-spirits and joking around and stuff. But yeah looking past the memes and manmode persona, I feel like he's actually a pretty decent and humble guy. Anyways was just wondering since I generally try to encourage people to try out the more challenging content, so was curious what kinds of things might be off-putting to people who might be coming at it with different priorities/perspectives.

[Synestra]

But yeah looking past the memes and manmode persona, I feel like he's actually a pretty decent and humble guy.

I think you are right as he responded to one of the comments on his older video where someone asked "what keeps you playing this game" and he said "friends and community" he is just honest about hes opinions so for some it might sound harsh(no sugar coating).

[fumofu]

it is a niche community that plays by different rules. There is nothing forcing you to interact with that community and they do not effect you in any way.

It's totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

[C56]

I'ts totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

Yep i can see it now... "Ur only ilevel 15 and no materia? l2p scrub you need at least ilevel 320 and rank VI materia to run Sastasha normal" *starts vote kick*

[Annah]

I've seen his twitch once. Let's just say he isn't the poster child for being a decent fella

With that said, just don't ever join any of his groups. I sure as hell don't and i have nothing to worry about.

Don't let one guy determine how the rest of the raiding community is because not everyone act like this guy.

[SlogDog]

It was an interesting discussion I thought.

I was much more offended when i listened to some casual groups podcast for healing (NEST? Reddit is always wanking em' off) and they were giving horrible, awful advice. I mean if you ever watched their LOL FUNNY raids you wouldn't listen to anything they said but I do worry for the more inexperienced looking around for some healer advice and stumbling onto something like that.

[YitharV2]

It was an interesting discussion I thought.

I was much more offended when i listened to some casual groups podcast for healing (NEST? Reddit is always wanking em' off) and they were giving horrible, awful advice. I mean if you ever watched their LOL FUNNY raids you wouldn't listen to anything they said but I do worry for the more inexperienced looking around for some healer advice and stumbling onto something like that.

Yeah, there was a reddit thread created by someone in one of the Discord servers I'm in. While I don't necessarily agree with the way he went about it, I think I sort of agree with his point, which someone else nicely stated in a comment reply.

The problem isnt healer should dps vs shouldn't dps. It's when you dont play efficiently with random people. At that point it's not just your time its 3-7 other people.(Not counting 24 mans cause that's another ballpark). However, if you're on a team whos ok with you not dpsing as a healer becuase your team isn't out to be cutting edge, then that's fine. Cause at that point your team knows about it and shouldn't mind it. Also, if they get results, much like NEST does, then go for it.

Now on my own personal stance, healers should dps to be efficient. Hopefully with healer dps scaling off of MND in SB. Coupled with the removal of CS it should help some healers make that final leap into dpsing more comfortably. As now you won't get caught in CS at a bad time when you need to heal. We will just need to see how it pans out in the next few weeks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ull_of_myself/

This is a response to that. And I sort of agree with him. Especially with Omega recently, there are sometimes mechanics that stack on top of each other so playing reactively isn't the best. I'd say the main thing I'm upset is that this advice may be followed by newer players who don't know any better.

What? I mean it, the question is.. what?
There are more people who spread out bad play than ''toxic'' play that you say. In fact you dont need to be doing that 1% to even raid, yo can be that 10% of the player community. You know what triggers me? All these people asking for nerf and such for a main story trial, doesn't that tell you anything? In fact... we know who's to blame for them not bothering. You see it here, in game and you see it in other threads. ''It's just a game'' ''no need to bother because it's just a game'' You see, I don't disagree it's a game, however, doesnt mean you should have attitude of not trying. When people sponsor bad play this happens...

Yep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...being/dg7jnbe/

[SlogDog]

Yeah, there was a reddit thread created by someone in one of the Discord servers I'm in. While I don't necessarily agree with the way he went about it, I think I sort of agree with his point, which someone else nicely stated in a comment reply.



https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ull_of_myself/

This is a response to that. And I sort of agree with him. Especially with Omega recently, there are sometimes mechanics that stack on top of each other so playing reactively isn't the best. I'd say the main thing I'm upset is that this advice may be followed by newer players who don't know any better.



Yep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...being/dg7jnbe/

I'm not going to get into the debate about DPS but their prediction for SB made me sad. I get my heart smashed constantly... I mean I gave up a fun aspect of my job, one i enjoyed, so that other healers would be more comfortable... but i still see sub 100 dps healers. I still see people defending them. I still see healers giving horrible advice trying to deflect their own shortcomings including "there is so much variety in heal styles!".

I agree with the thread and its sad to see people defending them. Like I said they can be horrible and fluff around all day- I don't have to deal with them, but soon as you give advice we have an issue.

ah ok ..if thats the case he wont get a whole lot of dps since I heal in raids with the occasional dps here and there

Classic.

[YitharV2]

I'm not going to get into the debate about DPS but their prediction for SB made me sad. I get my heart smashed constantly... I mean I gave up a fun aspect of my job, one i enjoyed, so that other healers would be more comfortable... but i still see sub 100 dps healers. I still see people defending them. I still see healers giving horrible advice trying to deflect their own shortcomings including "there is so much variety in heal styles!".

I agree with the thread and its sad to see people defending them. Like I said they can be horrible and fluff around all day- I don't have to deal with them, but soon as you give advice we have an issue.

I agree. I was doing Omega yesterday and in v3 there was a mentor healer just idling when there was no healing needed. It made me really sad.

Yeah, if she wants to do that with her group, that's fine. I don't have to play with her. But the fact that she's giving bad advice to new players is the problem I have.