The Raid community as we know it

[missybee]

Saw his group wipe a few times in between successful Ex Lakshmi/Sauasnoo fights. Was not impressed.

Chances are it was only three to four regulars and the rest were randos.

Also, what the hell is a Sauasnoo?

[Thoro39]

This thread made me curious about this guy. tuned into his stream. Saw his group wipe a few times in between successful Ex Lakshmi/Sauasnoo fights. Was not impressed. Harlem Globetrotters of this game lol? What?

They are not playing for farm and safety, it's usually never their intention and it's useless if you already have the gear. They are playing for speed.
If they see something that went wrong that lengthens the fight duration unnecessarily, they intentionally wipe in order to be able to restart as soon as possible again, even if they had the capacity and ability to salvage the run into a kill, because a slow kill is worthless for their goal.
This naturally entails more risk of wipes and less consistency, and that's fine when everyone in that group is in the same boat for that. Any kind of speedkill entails 100 or more wipes for that one good, particularily fast run.

Your complaints are similar of the nature of visiting a speedrunner's Mario 64 Speedrun livestream and complain when he resets the run whenever he made a mistake/RNG did not favour him instead of just finishing the run, simply nonsensical for their topic and goal at hand and completely missing the point. Why should he finish the run, if it's going to be a useless, slow run, especially if his intent and goal is to get a particularily fast run?

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

I generally listen to the State of the Realm podcast every Wednesday at work to pass the time a little faster and generally it has done very well in doing so. This week's episode, however, had me almost actually FEELING my blood pressure going up. Why you ask? The guest--if any of you listened, I don't need to name names. If that guy represents the mentality of the raiding community, I am full glad that I have no part of it. People like him makes the League of Legends community look like Woodstock.

When raiders allow people with his kind of attitude, why do they wonder why more people don't raid?

Let's be honest, those who want to raid would raid no matter what. Don't blame your lack of ability/motivation/desire/commitment on others. You don't raid because of yourself, not anyone else.

[bweisnicht]

Some extremely sad replies in here from snowflakes who are outraged over nothing - I can guarantee you have never actually watched Xeno's gameplay or taken a second to internalize the process of improving yourself.

Watch him playing any content and the vast majority of criticism you hear is directed towards HIMSELF. Down to single GCD mistakes! Crying on the forums over how you dislike someone's 'elitist attitude' will solve nothing other than to bolster your blanket of safety and perpetuate your ineptitude - criticizing your own play first and foremost is the only way to improve.

[Katryn]

This has people upset? Group dynamics are up to the individual group and what works for them. Further, criticism should start from within to begin with--"Oh, I totally screwed up X," or "Okay, we cleared Y, but what can I do better next time?". Also totally fine to celebrate success, but far too many people would rather find a scapegoat rather than owning up to their own inadequacies. I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

[Lambdafish]

I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

More than that, he holds himself to the same expectations that he has of others. I don't care for his "bully" persona, but that's how he handles hardcore content effectively, thats simply on me to not watch his stuff.

I have a far bigger issue with special snowflakes like Kisai trying to tear down "elitist" players (in actuality just well disciplined and knowledgeable players) in order to enforce their own incorrect ideas of how the game should be played. Xeno puts in hours of training and research of game mechanics (down to the GCD or dot tick) in order to master jobs and instances, and we should realise and respect just how much effort goes into being an "elitist" and maybe actually listen to what they have to say.

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

[Kallera]

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

[Lambdafish]

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

I didnt say that, I just realise that there are better ways to counter that. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

[Kallera]

There are better ways to counter that though. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with, regardless of how I play.

Maybe there is something wrong with me when I don't have an tirade ready for each role. I guess-- shock, gasp!-- doing my best just falls where it may on the criticism line.

[akaneakki]

I'ts totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

I truely want to belive the same about majority of players too... the blm who does ice then fire. Or the tank using cd after tank buster. Or the tank who doesnt use cds on big pull. What about that healer who only heals but let me die?
I was hoping it be a small part of community but boy am I wrong.