BLM should be the SAM of casters.

[BubblyBoar]

BLM has little to no utility and has one of the more troublesome rotations of the casters. While SMN's is admittedly more punishing if you die, RDM's is leaps and bounds easier with even more utility added on. But BLM? It has nothing but DPS and it doesn't even win there.

So how about we give BLM those big numbers too?

[Ferrasper]

BLM has little to no utility and has one of the more troublesome rotations of the casters. While SMN's is admittedly more punishing if you die, RDM's is leaps and bounds easier with even more utility added on. But BLM? It has nothing but DPS and it doesn't even win there.

So how about we give BLM those big numbers too?

We are already discussing this on the dps forums. There are a couple posts about it already.

[Valinis]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

[Ferrasper]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

It more has to do with how our damage is gimped when we have to move a lot due to fight mechanics, so to make up for our lost damage, we need a potency increase to get close to that of Sam to make up for our lost mobility. RDMs are currently beating both SMN and BLM in terms of damage because of their mobility.

[silentwindfr]

It more has to do with how our damage is gimped when we have to move a lot due to fight mechanics, so to make up for our lost damage, we need a potency increase to get close to that of Sam to make up for our lost mobility. RDMs are currently beating both SMN and BLM in terms of damage because of their mobility.

that something that is tie to the jobs, you are a caster, that the only thing that really a bother, worst, sometimes you move only a bit and can return to dps like it's nothing a melee that need to move, need to move back for return to his dps. plus black mage have triple cast and the role skill for instant cast a spell.

even if the blm become top tier dps for the ranged, he will still behind the melee, because it's like this... less impacted by any mechanic a boss can toss you.

SAM and RDM are a bit overpowered at the moment, nothing is remotely close to a decent SAM's output and rdm is way quicker at casting and is just fairly easy to pick up. Right now of the casters, smn is in bad shape, a few friends have been noticing pets and bahamut dont seem to be scaling very well, with the same gear a rdm's 550 atk does more then smn's 650 atk when they crit for some reason. As for BLM im pretty content with it at the moment, we got most of burst aoe damage back, eno is hell of a lot easier to maintain even if you do end up having to move a lot, 30 sec recast on eno, transpose can work to extend it and can always just quickcast or triplecast if you're really running all over, its more of learning a fight and knowing where and when to use use your skills. But yeah just need to wait a see what they decide to do, nerf the new jobs or buff the old ones, somethings definitely going to need to change.

*sighs* SAM have only his dps for himself... then yes he will be the top dps whatever you want to say about. he is a melee with near no buff to bring to the group.
RDM is a mix between ranged and melee dps, yes most of his dps come from ranged, but he have his burst totally tie to melee dps, means his place before the blm make sense. (even if i find the ogcd of the rdm a bit too powerfull)

plus i want to remind people, blm was never ever ever the top dps... and will never be. before he had monk and dragoon, later nin was added over him and it's normal, but if you look the stats given by fflogs, you can notice that the difference in terms of dps is not that violent that some people want to make it look like. depend of the group your dps can be increase a lot more. then.... *shrugs*

[Ferrasper]

that something that is tie to the jobs, you are a caster, that the only thing that really a bother, worst, sometimes you move only a bit and can return to dps like it's nothing a melee that need to move, need to move back for return to his dps. plus black mage have triple cast and the role skill for instant cast a spell.

even if the blm become top tier dps for the ranged, he will still behind the melee, because it's like this... less impacted by any mechanic a boss can toss you.

I don't mind being behind melee. What bothers me is the design philosophy of SAM isn't applied to BLM which is it's ranged counterpart. BLM should be not be beaten by RDM just because RDM has better mobility.

[silentwindfr]

I don't mind being behind melee. What bothers me is the design philosophy of SAM isn't applied to BLM which is it's ranged counterpart. BLM should be not be beaten by RDM just because RDM has better mobility.

he is beaten because part of his dps is partly melee, that most of it.

[Elfidan]

It more has to do with how our damage is gimped when we have to move a lot due to fight mechanics, so to make up for our lost damage, we need a potency increase to get close to that of Sam to make up for our lost mobility. RDMs are currently beating both SMN and BLM in terms of damage because of their mobility.

This doesn't surprise me, I quit playing both of my BLM in late 2.x because of this very reason. It's maddening.

[Arutan]

28k Foul seems alright to me. I'm not even that geared.

I do the same with my RDM. On normal spell. I was main BLM 'til StormBlood, and RDM charmed me with the release. It has a greater moving ability with same amount of DPS if not greater, now I just can't play BLM back, it just feel so slow everytime and doesn't even deal more damages. Plus with all those new fight asking to move a lot it's a pain in the a**. IMO BLM is gonna die if he's not up.

[LunarEmerald]

I do the same with my RDM. On normal spell. I was main BLM 'til StormBlood, and RDM charmed me with the release. It has a greater moving ability with same amount of DPS if not greater, now I just can't play BLM back, it just feel so slow everytime and doesn't even deal more damages. Plus with all those new fight asking to move a lot it's a pain in the a**. IMO BLM is gonna die if he's not up.

You don't do 28k on red mage.