Is Prudent Touch too much?

[blueruckus]

For 3 more CP than Basic Touch, you have Prudent Touch which eats up only 5 durability. As we all know, if you build up to 11 Inner Quiet stacks, you're more than likely going to HQ. Prudent Touch makes this ridiculously easy... like... too easy.

Combine this with Manip 2 and it feels like you're pretty much set for anything else thrown at you. All RNG is completely gone at this point. Yeah, it's a pretty awesome feeling... but I dunno, it feels like the challenge now is just melding enough CP to be able to dump in 10 Prudent Touches in to your rotation for a guaranteed HQ.

I'm in no way complaining to the point of 'omg I quit', but I'm curious to hear from other experienced crafters as to how you feel about these new op skills we're getting now?

Feels like it's just devs trying to make it accessible to everyone, like the way the rest of the game is going.

Thoughts?

[Elamys]

Crafting overall seems really really easy this time around. I'm pretty sad. I haven't gotten to max yet, but just from playing around with the tools available to me, it doesn't look like it's going to get any harder. I would love to have a tier of really challenging crafts that make it so I can't just use a cookie cutter rotation.

[blueruckus]

I finished melding yesterday and ended up with about 520+ CP with food, 1400 craft and like 1240 control. With this much CP and all the new power skills we got there's zero challenge in this. With 0 starting quality, I'm almost at full quality before Byregot's even hits. Prudent is too strong.

I also hope there is a tougher tier to this because really this is going to take no thought for anyone to be able to accomplish. Anyone can do this now as long as they have the CP for it. There's no more rng, no more thinking on your feet, just boom HQ macro.

Just really weird.

[DarthBuzzer]

I do feel like there needs to be a massive step up in recipes.

This is what I'd like to see for 2 stars:
5000 Progress
26000 Quality
60 Durability

That would make it at least more of a challenge because you now have to do more than a single 11 Inner Quiet stack finisher.

However, this is probably what 2 stars will look like:
3600 Progress
16000 Quality
70 Durability

[Caimie_Tsukino]

You guys just wait. The challenges will come. And when it does, we will all find that 11 IQ stack is not enough to HQ the item

They had been trying to construct something like that since HW. Hence, the creation of Byregot's Miracle and Precise Touch. At the end, Miracle didn't do the miracle, and Precise was not enough to quickly rebuild a half-spent IQ stack.

But now with Patient Touch, we can! I can foresee the need to spend half the IQ stack, and then rebuild a whole stack to 11 to Blessing something to HQ!

[SmallHobbit]

You guys just wait. The challenges will come.

no it will not! the only challange will be to reach the min. stats which need meld the gear well thats all.

the difficulty will be at same as always.

its the same point, why the raids get so easy nowdays! more ppl can enjoy! thats the new philosophy of SE. (thats why we get new OP skills now)

crafting wont be challaging anymore real mastercrafters. :3

regards hobbit

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I don't think there's going to be anything totally daunting that players will find crafts impossibly difficult to HQ. That would defeat all attempts to make crafting more accessible.

I definitely do not see crafting becoming difficult. It will be as easy as the Rath era, or easier. The latter half of HW proved that.

The difficulty will be the melding process.

no it will not! the only challange will be to reach the min. stats which need meld the gear well thats all.

the difficulty will be at same as always.

its the same point, why the raids get so easy nowdays! more ppl can enjoy! thats the new philosophy of SE. (thats why we get new OP skills now)

crafting wont be challaging anymore real mastercrafters. :3

regards hobbit

Call me an optimist! Despite all 3 of you, and possibly the majority of people saying this, I am still looking forward to that one day when the really difficult crafting game comes, and I still believe it will come.

I agree with you that it's not going to be any time soon though. If it were to come, it'll be patch 4.4 or something. But I look forward to the arrival of that day, which I can test my limits *grinning... snapping knuckles* It'll be so much fun!!! I hope they'll make it so hard that we'll have to throw out everything we have! LOL! I'll have my daughter cheer for me while I craft! XD

[Nezerius]

Call me an optimist! Despite all 3 of you, and possibly the majority of people saying this, I am still looking forward to that one day when the really difficult crafting game comes, and I still believe it will come.

Unless they add recipes that allow crafters to make DoW/M gear with similar ilvl to the current savage raid gear, I wouldn't get my hopes up for them to add any recipes that are really difficult to get.

If the recipes are difficult, and provide the same ilvl gear to savage raid gear, raiders will complain about the ability to craft gear that's better than raid gear (due to overmelding).
If the recipes are difficult, but provide gear that's lower than savage raid gear (low enough so even overmelding doesn't make it better), people will just ignore it.

But I suppose they could always make some kind of vanity recipe that has extra looks/effects when HQing it, with the recipe being really difficult.

[codge]

Just remember to farm them items because yellow scrips are coming. By highest craft is ltw at 66, I've still got a lot of work to do

[dspguy]

I think the thing to keep in mind was how easy HW 0-star recipes were when we only had the white level 70 gear. The yellow scrip gear will likely equal melded i290 crafter gear yet we will see 2-star recipes. So, the difficulty will get there.