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    Player
    Oxmodial's Avatar
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    Inspired God
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 70

    As a MCH player, please don't let me down SE.

    I'm sticking it out until 4.05 for now because I really do enjoy the difficulty and uniqueness of MCH, but I'm scared that they'll just go "overheat damage buff from 10% to 20%" and that's it. I really want to play this class despite the fact that right now BRD is better in every conceivable way.

    Please make sure you get it right with the 4.05 balance changes SE, I don't want to have to switch to BRD or another class, but if MCH doesn't get some reasonable buffs I think I'll have to.

    Furthermore if SE fails to give this class the help it needs it will really only confirm my suspicions that they have no interest in machinist being good. The only time MCH was ever good was really not intended by SE it was simply because they failed to have the foresight to see how well wildfire and % buffs scaled late into HW with higher ilvls.
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I honestly think SE developers that work on the Jobs never bother to test out the Job at all.

    It seems the design choices were more made through theory crafting about what may happen instead what is actually happening.

    4.0 update put a lot of issue on majority of the Jobs mostly design wise.
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    Richard Butte
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    I honestly think SE developers that work on the Jobs never bother to test out the Job at all.

    It seems the design choices were more made through theory crafting about what may happen instead what is actually happening.

    4.0 update put a lot of issue on majority of the Jobs mostly design wise.
    I think most are alright except for some glaring exceptions, mainly WAR, SCH, and MCH.

    Other classes have varying issues, but I think those three are by far the most "dumpster tier" right now.
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    I think most are alright except for some glaring exceptions, mainly WAR, SCH, and MCH.

    Other classes have varying issues, but I think those three are by far the most "dumpster tier" right now.
    DRK is in a worse place then WAR, where basically one skill is holding the class together.
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    Coatl Days
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    DRK is in a worse place then WAR, where basically one skill is holding the class together.
    At least DRK has one skill holding it together. War meanwhile..
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    Selena Zensh
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post
    At least DRK has one skill holding it together. War meanwhile..
    WAR meanwhile has better DPS then DRK, better mitigation then DRK, and not much lower utility. With their major problem being the stance dance penalty.

    Were it not for that one skill holding DRK together it would not even be a consideration compared to WAR.
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    I certainly hope MCH get's love. And SCH. And WAR. And BLM. And SMN.

    Yeah there are a ton of balancing issues right now.
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ametrine View Post
    I certainly hope MCH get's love. And SCH. And WAR. And BLM. And SMN.

    Yeah there are a ton of balancing issues right now.

    BLM and SMN are excellent dps, what are you talking about. The bottom dps jobs now are MCH and DRG, and by a big %, whereas BLM and SMN are only behind SAM, NIN, BRD, MNK, RDM by 5-10% at most.
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    Evan Lionheart
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    Cerberus
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    Machinist Lv 70
    MCH main here for far too long.

    Atm, Bard is better in EVERYTHING. Damage, Party buffs/utility, easier rotation and much less punishing to play (unlike MCH triggering overheat at wrong times).

    I hope they will balance classes right with 4.05. Otherwise, i will be playing PLD (or not playing at all, which is also possible).
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    Kleeya White
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    Shiva
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Brd doesn't have badass gunblades, so they are not better in EVERYTHING over mch.

    Keeping seeing the "mch is too punitive if you overheat without wanting it" argument kinda make me want to facepalm when i think back of all the "FF14 is becoming more and more casual, you will be able to finish everything by rolling your head on the keyboard" comments i did see on some community sites when the coming big job changes were announced a while ago. So, you want jobs hard to play or not ?

    Even if SE dont do some needed changes like tweaking some skills stats or making the flame thrower usable while moving i will anyway keep playing mch despite the bad stuff, the biggest reason being that it is much more fun than the old gunmage one. Excepting a quick try of my samourai being now lvl 52, since SB i didn't even bother to lvl another job because i dont feel the need to do so.
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