AST issues and Healer role

[Cyrocco]

In what realm is the ability to undo whatever's inconvenient to you not a buff? Now, you do realize the playerbase has quite a bit of sway when it comes to how Jobs are changed, right? Asts have been screaming for changes in the most surreal areas, like this post for example, and the developers go along with it, and then we see a sharp decline in healer variety. Because this one thing is inconvenient to you, you need to go out and make a forum post and hunt for people that are on your side because you need the validation.

I've been just fine with the changes. The problem is, the playerbase that likes to whine is much louder than the playerbase that's satisfied, because people don't get on the forums to tell the devs they're just fine with the changes.

What you are asking for is an RNG system, without consequence, that allows the player to draw basically whatever they like (with all these Draw skills), and throw away whatever they like. An RNG system where the results are manipulated in order to obtain the ideal outcome every time, and there's never a time where cards are less than welcome.

[Fortune_Cookie]

In what realm is the ability to undo whatever's inconvenient to you not a buff? Now, you do realize the playerbase has quite a bit of sway when it comes to how Jobs are changed, right? Asts have been screaming for changes in the most surreal areas, like this post for example, and the developers go along with it, and then we see a sharp decline in healer variety. Because this one thing is inconvenient to you, you need to go out and make a forum post and hunt for people that are on your side because you need the validation.

You're conflating 2 things: balance and gameplay. If AST is too strong then its output needs to be reduced. That can be done independently from addressing a mechanical issue that makes the class less fluid, engaging or just fun to play.

I realise that rendering the RR system more cumbersome is a way of reducing AST's output, but it's the worst way to go about it. Having lots of tools to tilt the luck of the draw in her favour fits the AST fantasy and makes for engaging gameplay. You feel empowered by having different ways to react to a given draw and removing the current RR buff was a part of that. If AST's card buffs are too strong (*cough* balance) then limit their quantitative impact - don't just make the whole system less fun by removing an element of player agency.

And calling the OP's feedback surreal is just hyperbole.

[Tonjiar]

In what realm is the ability to undo whatever's inconvenient to you not a buff? Now, you do realize the playerbase has quite a bit of sway when it comes to how Jobs are changed, right? Asts have been screaming for changes in the most surreal areas, like this post for example, and the developers go along with it, and then we see a sharp decline in healer variety. Because this one thing is inconvenient to you, you need to go out and make a forum post and hunt for people that are on your side because you need the validation.

I've been just fine with the changes. The problem is, the playerbase that likes to whine is much louder than the playerbase that's satisfied, because people don't get on the forums to tell the devs they're just fine with the changes.

What you are asking for is an RNG system, without consequence, that allows the player to draw basically whatever they like (with all these Draw skills), and throw away whatever they like. An RNG system where the results are manipulated in order to obtain the ideal outcome every time, and there's never a time where cards are less than welcome.

You don't speak for the playerbase. And while I'm glad you're fine with changes, seems that by your own posts if a lot of ASTs are coming here to try and get the devs to change this, it just might be an issue the "playerbase" wants addressed.

An RNG system is the drawback of the system. It's not defined that you will get good cards in a good order, just that you will get cards. Having tools to make those RNG cards into a working toolkit is what defines the uniqueness of the job. I want tools available to me to make the better choices with those cards.

Still with those bold. Do you feel that they "stress" your point more?

[Tonjiar]

Removed for character limit.

I got a simple valid argument for you. How can you make a feasible argument about "which healer is the best in game" or what balances need to be applied to healers when you don't have first hand knowledge of the level 70 content in game as a healer?

[Cyrocco]

I got a simple valid argument for you. How can you make a feasible argument about "which healer is the best in game" or what balances need to be applied to healers when you don't have first hand knowledge of the level 70 content in game as a healer?

I need endgame experience to know how level 30 skills work? Wasn't aware.

Futhermore: Check the healer forums you're posting on.

Futhermore: Check Reddit.

Furthermore: Check the PF.

Furthermore: Do the math.

Furthermore: Ask literally anyone.

[Tonjiar]

I need endgame experience to know how level 30 skills work? Wasn't aware.

I'll go with the quip first, "You do know that there are job abilities past level 30, right?".

Your knowledge is flawed due to hearsay from the general playerbase. The same playerbase who you are irate with their want for a "buff". You lack a single experience healing with any healing job for the 70 content. You've only complained and pull up personal generalizations this whole thread with no firm facts or points to validate any claim you have made. Due to these reasons, and your personal inexperience on the matter at hand, I'll leave to your own and hope you enjoy future ASTs requesting the same as I and those before me have done for the benefit of our job.

[Cyrocco]

/Snip.

Yeahhh...No. Astrologian is 68. That's one skill missing. Balance issues are not solely seen at level 70 content. These "generalizations" directly address your complaint. All knowledge outside of numbers and results is flawed because people have opinions, ergo, by that argument, your entire post is flawed.

While my argument remains, I learned these skills top to bottom when level 60 was the cap, got my Anima and everything, big boy. They haven't changed. You're looking for an out.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

And to close, show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.

[inhaledcorn]

-snip-

Uh, none of the healers have a lv68 skill. Instead, they have lv68 traits.

... Granted, they're all Spears of some sort, so they essentially have nothing, but that's besides the point.

[Tonjiar]

Yeahhh...No. Astrologian is 68. That's one skill missing. Balance issues are not solely seen at level 70 content. These "generalizations" directly address your complaint. All knowledge outside of numbers and results is flawed because people have opinions, ergo, by that argument, your entire post is flawed.

While my argument remains, I learned these skills top to bottom when level 60 was the cap, got my Anima and everything, big boy. They haven't changed. You're looking for an out.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

And to close, show me your evidence and I'll show you mine.

I'm not claiming healing numbers for who is top dog right now or about balance issue between the healing jobs. That's you in case you have forgotten your prior posts.

You want evidence of what I have claimed? Sure.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/9199114/

Your current healing jobs are 22 Conj, 53 SCH, and 68 AST. You haven't done the current level 70 content as a healer because you legitimately can't get into the content as a healer. You can only reference other people's opinion and it's not even the vast majority of the playbase you're taking information from and quoting thoughts and beliefs as "truth" or "facts".

Where's your math, you say do it but have provide no content to back up your claims just as your other posts do the same.

It's like your post start a thought, get sidetracked and you end up making a fragmented post with thought base "potholes" and inaccuracies according to only "your", and I use the term loosely because you only have a sum of only what you have read and not what you have experienced or validated, healer ideology.

Also let me help you with something

This is a fact

Current AST problems for me:

• Can't see the other card buffs for other ASTs, this makes me want to avoid healing with any other AST on principal of the card overwrite. Could fix this by allowing cards not of the same type to stack, ie no double bole but bole and a balance.
• Can't remove the royal road buff, there are situations where i want to remove an aoe in favor of a single target in the moment without burning another card for an overwrite. Yes those situations happen infrequently but often enough that I notice I can't do this anymore.

This is an opinion

Current AST problems:

• Can't see the other card buffs for other ASTs, this makes me want to avoid healing with any other AST on principal of the card overwrite. Could fix this by allowing cards not of the same type to stack, ie no double bole but bole and a balance.
• Can't remove the royal road buff, there are situations where i want to remove an aoe in favor of a single target in the moment without burning another card for an overwrite. Yes those situations happen infrequently but often enough that I notice I can't do this anymore.

Might be hard for you to see the difference but I'm sure if you read enough reddit posts about it someone will tell you why.

[Sebazy]

Futhermore: Check the healer forums you're posting on.

Futhermore: Check Reddit.

One thing I will add, these forums (and reddit) have been massively wrong on plenty of occasions. Mindlessly basing your opinions on either of these is a very risky game

Want some examples? Years ago (My opinion was based on early 7 man SCOB sales long before the lockout was removed) I practically got laughed off reddit for claiming that Selene was actually a net DPS loss vs Eos. The moment ranked speed running became a thing? Eos everywhere.

And here? Well you only have to look recently at how most people were screaming that WHM was stone dead in the water and SCH was going to be a beast. Best forum u-turn 2k17?

Your views miss one huge detail imo. Some cards can literally be a booby trap in certain situations. Spear is a classic example of this, using it on DPS mid Savage attempts can throw their rotations off and will often result in a DPS loss as things fall out of sequence. Having Sleeve Draw drop a Spear in Spread is all the reason I ever need to never use that ability without a Balance in my pocket.

I need endgame experience to know how level 30 skills work? Wasn't aware.

Yes.

Many jobs are in the situation they are now because SE admittedly tuned them around dummies rather than actual content. DRG, BLM and War all look absolutely fine on paper and do decently on dummies. Throw them in real content and they underperform really quite drastically. With proper testing or oh I don't know, how about some actual understanding of how things play at the endgame, SE could have avoided these mistakes really rather easily.