Why HP inflation is a valid concern

[Kitfox]

Here lies the problem. They are screwing with the scaling but do not change the gear.

Indeed. This is the problem that they need to fix.

History backs none of these arguments up. Did we have too much AP or HP for the entire 4 patches that the previous scaling was in effect? What was broken? How?

Yoshi stated that STR/VIT AP was a fix that they determined worked for the content range at the time. So it obviously was fine. Tanks originally scaled with STR only, we just returned to the old system.

[BluexBird]

This is why I think removing VIT from accessories is the best thing you can do right now.

Currently, it's possible to tank every single content out of tank stance using STR accessories. Assuming your party doesn't screw up and your tanks use cooldowns appropriately, healers are more than capable of keeping up. Now for your average player, going into tank stance with STR accessories makes things a lot easier.

Tanking in tank stance with VIT accessories though? It's almost boring. There is no challenge. You don't feel any reward for doing things properly. It's like, you don't even have to use your cooldown most of the time!

Thus by replacing VIT with STR on tank accessories, it'll solve the damage scaling issues, as well as HP inflation, AND bring back the challenge that was tanking. Tanks will go back to trying to find the balance of how much they can stay out of tank stance, which I think was one of the more interesting aspects of playing a tank.

[Baci]

Riddle me this: How do you adjust tank HP, tank dps, non-tank hp and incoming damage separately without affecting each other if tanks dps and hp are linked on the same stat, also without screwing up the old content?

Riddle me this: why did SE not modify our accs? Why did they not foresee and lock older accs too?

[BluexBird]

Riddle me this: why did SE not modify our accs? Why did they not foresee and lock older accs too?

It makes me believe Square-Enix released the expansion without testing it properly with actual players to see if there would be things they might have overlooked.

[Yorumi]

It makes me believe Square-Enix released the expansion without testing it properly with actual players to see if there would be things they might have overlooked.

I'm not even sure SE tested it internally. You just can't screw up balance this badly if you've done any testing.

[testname]

You miss the point, its not about Attack Power!
Its about Health Pool <--

SE said, that more VIT is bad because of HP inflation, but all gear is in VIT caped 320ilvl go check for yourself
However SE decide how much HP we have, no one said about Attack Power Inflation!

Why I am so Vocal here?!
I know it would -> inflate DPS for TANKS but SE said -> HP inflation, and not AP

They Just Lie to us, because some one made wrong decision, and now is afraid to admit it


They say to us, that if we had vit scaled for ap, then it would Inflate HP but FROM WHERE!?
all gear has Vitality CAPED! so from where?
How we could possibly get more HP, when you cant meld materia into caped gear?

[SyzzleSpark]

What racks my stupid little brain is this: A tank that has been wearing full VIT for the entirety of this game's lifetime has had the content tuned to his/her HP (however poorly) and it has been growing steadily by the same rate over time with levels and gear - so, when did this sudden, legenedary "A WILD HP INFLATION HAS APPEARED" problem arise?

Its like, SE just pulled this problem out of a hat and was like "THIS! THIS is the problem" and everyone in this thread is just smiling and nodding when it was not something that anyone had ever complained about before ever, it was never a topic on any Live Letter prior to this month, I've literally never heard anyone talk about HP inflation as being a problem this game has or has ever had until the past week.

[Mnemosynia]

What racks my stupid little brain is this: A tank that has been wearing full VIT for the entirety of this game's lifetime has had the content tuned to his/her HP (however poorly) and it has been growing steadily by the same rate over time with levels and gear - so, when did this sudden, legenedary "A WILD HP INFLATION HAS APPEARED" problem arise?

Its like, SE just pulled this problem out of a hat and was like "THIS! THIS is the problem" and everyone in this thread is just smiling and nodding when it was not something that anyone had ever complained about before ever, it was never a topic on any Live Letter prior to this month, I've literally never heard anyone talk about HP inflation as being a problem this game has or has ever had until the past week.

I unliked your post so I can like it twice.

[mcspamm]

Its like, SE just pulled this problem out of a hat and was like "THIS! THIS is the problem" and everyone in this thread is just smiling and nodding when it was not something that anyone had ever complained about before ever, it was never a topic on any Live Letter prior to this month, I've literally never heard anyone talk about HP inflation as being a problem this game has or has ever had until the past week.

I'm completely guessing here, but maybe while projecting tank HP values into 4.4 / 4.5, they're worried about tanks having six digit health for some reason.

"Oh no, players will be able to go back and laugh off insta-death mechanics in ARR content while undersized!1" (as if we can't do that already)

Regardless of how valid that concern is, it's the only possible explanation I can think of.

[GunnarBerwerf]

I'm completely guessing here, but maybe while projecting tank HP values into 4.4 / 4.5, they're worried about tanks having six digit health for some reason.

"Oh no, players will be able to go back and laugh off insta-death mechanics in ARR content while undersized!1" (as if we can't do that already)

Regardless of how valid that concern is, it's the only possible explanation I can think of.

If that is the case , its a problem with iLV inflation and not anythign else, they would need to do a revamp in stats scaling with ilv like wow did years ago, when they faced that same problem.