Please DON'T remove the Armoury system

[darkstarpoet1]

You do realize that Flash is, at the level you acquire it, more or less the exact same thing as Provoke right? And that they're both learned at level 14 on the respective classes?

and you do realize that flash is closer to warmonger than provoke right? provoke pulls a single enemy and flash is an aoe . that is the same thing as warmonger was.

[SnickleWhiskers]

They already had an amazing game called Final Fantasy Tactics they could have reworked but instead they gave you the armory system.

[Jynx]

and you do realize that flash is closer to warmonger than provoke right? provoke pulls a single enemy and flash is an aoe . that is the same thing as warmonger was.

..wait what? Flash is Single target you know.

*edit*

Just used it on my Thaumaturg, unless it only does AOE on gladiator it's single target...nope used on my gladiator as well single target.

*edit2*

I see that Flash becomes a AOE at 48, not sure how large of a AOE that it encases. Either way at that point in time you have alot of ways to hold hate without resorting to flashing a mob of enemies.

[darkstarpoet1]

I see that Flash becomes a AOE at 48, not sure how large of a AOE that it encases. Either way at that point in time you have alot of ways to hold hate without resorting to flashing a mob of enemies.

the point was that the person said they would have liked to have a single target provoke type command. at r50 you have 2 aoe's and no single target. was funny watching edit 1 and edit 2 just to get to what i said originally.

[Jynx]

As a non-career gladiator I can't comment but it looks like Gladiators don't have many issues holding hate even in crowded areas in my experience.

How well is shield bash for generating hate?

[darkstarpoet1]

As a non-career gladiator I can't comment but it looks like Gladiators don't have many issues holding hate even in crowded areas in my experience.

How well is shield bash for generating hate?

nah, the holding hate isn't bad. the thing is when you are going into a group of mobs trying to pull one out it becomes impossible with the skills from the gladiator and sentinel class. it's just an annoyance, but i could see why that single target pull would be useful. i'm a non main either it's just one thing i've heard multiple complaints about because they have to have another class pull the mobs to a safe area and then they can pull the mob off and then establish hate.

the comparison of shield bash is not a bad one, but shield bash they have to be close where provoke was used to pull. it wouldn't be bad in mobs that don't aggro, but if you are around aggro mobs then it becomes an issue.

[Icecylee]

He didn't mention anything about getting hate on a single enemy at higher levels though; just having a provoke type effect. Which Gladiator does have. Unless he actually did mean Taunt specifically which... was always on PGL anyways? And they're (Provoke and Flash) more or less identical when you get them (which obviously isn't factoring in traits) even if they become different as you level due to Class specific traits.

If you want to make a case about not having every single tool you want on one class - I'm pretty sure that's the case for all classes regardless. But as someone that actually is maining gladiator, I haven't had many issues tanking since 1.2 (where as it actually was kind of hard before. Friggen MRDs) and am not entirely sure why you'd want to provoke a single enemy in a crowd anyways, since they tend to link like crazy. Might as well get them all on you initially until the DDs start peeling specific targets off to kill, since you can take hits and might as well blind them in the process. If you really need to pull just a single target out of a crowd that won't link and can't be assed to spend and hour or two getting to MRD 14, though... didn't they increased the range of throwing weapons?