The most devious primal

[Kogekigami]

After me and a few friends got into a light debate over it...

who would you state as the most devious primal...

I'm personally vote lakshimi seeing she selling her people a world of bliss where really its just sugar coated slavery.... then when you call her out she gets offended....least most the other primals are honest about what there doing.

just curious how people rank them.

[JockHarley]

Susano, for reasons I am not comfortable talking about *begins crying over painful past PFs*

Jokes aside, Lakshmi is one I would consider devious, Garuda's justa hoe with a queen complex

[TinyRedLeaf]

The dictionary definition of "devious":

adj, to describe a person, or plans and methods that are dishonest, often in a complicated way, but often also clever and successful.

By the strict definition of the word, none of the primals we've encountered so far could be described as "devious".

Not even Lakshmi. The Lady of Bliss delivered literally what her servants desired, no more, no less. She wasn't deceitful, merely exacting.

If we take a broader view, I would just point to Alexander, the ultimate computer primal, who had examined every temporal possibility, and manipulated space-time to achieve its desired outcome.

[Lambdafish]

By definition primals can't really be devious or have alterior motives because they are supposed to be god's brought into existence by their worshipers with the sole purpose of lording over them. Exceptions like ramuh, Susano and Lakshmi have different approaches to this role, but they are still lording over as a god.

For a primal to be devious it would need to be summoned by a lone being with a devious nature intentionally distilled into its prayer. It's much easier to just make a devious entity a voidsent than a primal.

I agree that Alexander is probably the closest so far considering he manipulated events and decieved the goblins into a scenario that led to his own defeat

[Theodric]

Thordan.

The Archbishop's plan to put an end to Nidhogg was a very clever one. Not only did he secure immense power for himself but he tricked and destroyed one Ascian and laid the groundwork for a second to be destroyed. The Warring Triad also began to awaken as a result of his actions and he was only stopped in his tracks because the Warrior of Light happened to be the right place at the right time.

[Ametrine]

Sophia.

Between her actual belief system of total balance of good and bad (I mean the story told in her theme is brutal) and her schemes to get herself and her followers captured only to break out and unleash Primal Bahamut from the inside, she was what I would call "devious."