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  1. #101
    Player
    Katryn's Avatar
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    Sarena Veradayne
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    I've healed in 10+ MMOs in the past fifteen years. Among those, only two have asked for heals and dps together--this game and Phantasy Star Universe. In that game it was obvious, though: your 'heal' was one large AOE burst that could be spammed forever as long as you had the PP (their version of mana) to do so. I was a War Techer and used daggers and bows over there.

    Ad for this game, I would never have thought to DPS had I not come to these forums, seen all the debates and then tested it for myself. I doubt I am the 'best' at healer dps--regardless of its existence I still care more about keeping a party alive--I will agree that it makes playing WHM more fun and keeps me busy helping the group when healing is not needed. Plus, with the change to cleric stance, the risk involved is pretty much zero.

    That said, this is the only MMO where I've ever seen players react in spite about something they want / expect others to do that the game does not explicitly tell them they need to. Let's be blunt--you were gonna use STR accessories anyway: it gets shit done faster. I've read about tanks doing an actual gear strip, removing a piece between pulls for each pull they did not see the healer dps. If you're going for shock value you need to get more creative. XD
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  2. #102
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    hawklsd's Avatar
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    Character
    Helcon Livet
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 80
    As a dpser if we dps are doing our job then any dps the healer throws out not realy going to mater much so you shave 2 or 3 seconds on a pull so what ..... remember this is a game we're all here to enjoy the contents and bash some pixels
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  3. #103
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    Ksenia's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Ksenia Solo
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Weaver Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by hawklsd View Post
    As a dpser if we dps are doing our job then any dps the healer throws out not realy going to mater much so you shave 2 or 3 seconds on a pull so what ..... remember this is a game we're all here to enjoy the contents and bash some pixels
    Pretty much. All my stone farts do is look pretty and FTR, it takes 3 minutes to regen a Whm MP bar from empty to full out of combat. OP will only need to stare at the screen for 3 minute intervals a few times before you see the flaw in healer dps.
    Should I heal on Dragoon too?
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  4. #104
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    Rawrz's Avatar
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ksenia View Post
    Pretty much. All my stone farts do is look pretty and FTR, it takes 3 minutes to regen a Whm MP bar from empty to full out of combat. OP will only need to stare at the screen for 3 minute intervals a few times before you see the flaw in healer dps.
    Should I heal on Dragoon too?
    Idk. Me doing 1600-1800 overall dps in zurvan (probably 1100-1300 in non add phases) and a coheal doing something similar seemed to help the party allot. Combined two healers make for a 5th dps. Being within a couple hundred dps of an average dps shows how much of a difference and control a healer has/had. A good healer can almost match an ok dps, effectively carrying their dps to meet and surpass checks.

    Plus, in dungeons you're aoeing. Healers and especially whms excel at aoe. We outrank tank dps priority. On bosses you should be doing at least 10% of the damage. That's allot of time shaved off.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 08-01-2017 at 11:02 AM.

  5. #105
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    Endeleon's Avatar
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    Eos
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    Character
    Amethyst Loire
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by hawklsd View Post
    As a dpser if we dps are doing our job then any dps the healer throws out not realy going to mater much so you shave 2 or 3 seconds on a pull so what ..... remember this is a game we're all here to enjoy the contents and bash some pixels
    LOL no... I've seen healers in good runs do 1000+ dps, far more than adequate for the time.
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  6. #106
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    Besame's Avatar
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    Calista Fallon
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Only stupid healer tricks I see are the ones that rez people and do not heal them and they die in 15 secs when the big aoe bomb comes hehe...amazing. Don't play a healer if you are that clueless. Otherwise, don't dps if you are not comfortable doing so, just keep the raid alive.
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  7. #107
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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Besame View Post
    Only stupid healer tricks I see are the ones that rez people and do not heal them and they die in 15 secs when the big aoe bomb comes hehe...amazing. Don't play a healer if you are that clueless. Otherwise, don't dps if you are not comfortable doing so, just keep the raid alive.
    It goes both ways. It is also on the person being ressed to be aware of their surroundings, and if a big AoE is being cast/coming up very soon.
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  8. #108
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    Alisi's Avatar
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    Character
    Tempest Deep
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    Twintania
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HoodRat View Post
    I guess expecting healers to dps when they have nothing else to do for more than 15 seconds is asking too much.
    https://media1.giphy.com/media/dYKWWOfZsdeyk/giphy.gif
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    Last edited by Alisi; 08-03-2017 at 06:30 PM.

  9. #109
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    finders's Avatar
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    Character
    Finder Bades
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 60
    i refuse to dps for tanks that won't pop cds during trash pulls like the OP. aka terrible tanks
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  10. #110
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    Character
    Leila Rosavis
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 52
    I'm wanting to pick up a healing class... Astrologian when I reach heavensward content. What level do healers usually contribute dps? Is this usually for 8 man raids and trials?
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