Solution to healers not dpsing in dungeons

[Chrallmal]

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Thank you for the perspective. In response, I must further clarify. My hypothetical situation is not at the sacrifice of the others in the party. I personally would never pull outside of the scope of what the healer could feasibly heal. Meaning, wipes/deaths are not an inherent issue. I present the following scenario as clarification:


- Healer only heals, and nothing else. It isn't because of anxiety or some kind of newness. It's just them being lazy or spiteful.
- Healer is averaging (example) 1 action every 10 seconds - with a net loss of about 7.5 seconds of productivity.
- I know that if I pull an extra monster or two, I can raise their Actions Per Minute (APM) by causing them to heal more, making them more productive. This is actually what a lot of "healing only" healers say they want. A world where all they are supposed to do is heal, because they have no time for anything else.
- I know that the DPS will be met with extra AoE damage falloff in many cases, which may lead to greater TP/MP consumption over the short-term. This leads to greater downtime between pulls. However, the falloff isn't that bad when we're talking about such small numbers of extra adds.

Mechanically, a healer who refuses to heal for any reason will make the volume of the pull irrelevant - unless the pull is so small that you and the DPS can burn it down faster than it can kill you. This hypothetical situation I presented would be used as a means of better utilizing the healer based on their terms, not mine. A compromise of sorts. It's not antagonistic, because it isn't supposed to be presented as "Oh yeah, well if you won't do what I want, then watch this!"

I think my largest mistake here was presenting it with way too much hyperbole. I'm a career DPS, so any idea that I believed would be inherently bad for a DPS player wouldn't fly for me.

I also see the world in a very mechanical fashion. If the problem is that you feel the healer doesn't have enough to do, and you directly control how much they have to do, and giving them more to do makes you feel better and doesn't hurt anyone else, then do it. Of course you shouldn't go stupid with it. That doesn't help anyone. Least of all the DPS who get caught in the middle like kids when mom and dad fight.

[Lyndina]

If im familiar with the content,yeah i make some Damage on the mobs. In an Raid enviroment i usally set my 2 Dots, shadowflare and good. The little dmg Broil does, isnt worth it if im unable to heal if my mana runs out. In the New 70 dungeons i usally set my 2 dots and let it go, most tanks have to pull 2 groups,so theres no time to make dmg when they get a ton of dmg..

[Sylvain]

DPS feelings matter too lol

While it has nothing to do with the main topic, I was recently doing my leveling roulettes and felt like going with my BLM for the expert but when I saw the 30min queue I quickly switched to tank, but I forgot to change the queue and I ended up redoing the leveling roulette for no reward. I still stayed because I felt bad for the DPS if they had to wait another 30min.
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[Maeka]

Casting a heal every 10 seconds and standing there.

Uh, in Stormblood Dungeons, at least Baram's and beyond, you don't stand there for 10 seconds doing nothing, lol. Especially not in Doma Castle, Castrum Abania, and I am assuming not in anything beyond that either.

Sometimes you don't even have TIME to DPS because of Cure-bombing the tank because even if you are in Heavensward content, they wanna pull 2, 3, 4 groups of mobs and they go from 100% to 50% to 100% to 50% as fast as you can spam Cure II on them.

[Aomine1992]

This is a dumb topic that just keeps popping up from the dumbest ppl lol fine stay in dps mode and not get healed or get kicked noone has time for an idiot tank especially when dps have waited 30+ mins for a que.... Personally on healer I do dps and sometimes I don't it depends on what I'm doing and how much the tank is pulling

[RitsukoSonoda]

I'll dps my healer when they let me go WHM/NIN dual wielding a mace and a kraken club to spam hexastrike again >.>

On a side note atleast with the change to clerics stance I'm not seeing party wipes caused by healing with it toggled on anymore :P

[Leigaon]

If healers refuse to dps in dungeons well I'm going to use full str accessories and stay in deliverance, sword oath and no grit no problem.

Tanks like you do that anyways so....good? Get kicked, so I can come in, jump in Defiance and get my run done. Go in, work as a team, get out. There's never been a consistent track of slow / bad content due to a healer not damage dealing outside of raids i'm sure. Sure you can go like those people who do 40+ page analysis or post 45 minute - 2hr youtube vidoes showing you that "Well if you do this then you save 45 seconds per run, if you run x amount of times..." if you're at that point, go outside. Turn off he game, go out-side..this isn't that type of game. It was hard for me to accept that fact.

If you refuse to believe there's a spectrum of playstyles and unless you're doing raid content or you're getting part of the bad end of the deal then I don't know what to tell you except..keep looking through with that tunnel vision and I hope you come out the other end with a wider range of a views.

You want the healer to DPS, then if you happen to get one willing you need to adjust your pulls as the tank to let them. You are going to have to do what no one likes to admit, that you're doing something wrong as well. Yes, you are! I do it too, but I admit it and I adjust.

If you do big pulls and your are not doing proper cool downs or managing your damage taken so that the healer has time then you need to adjust. Being a tank there's been times where if I reduce my pulls to normal pulls they will dps, sometimes they do not DPs so I pull more.

DPS, if they aren't up to the task of killing makes things slower too. TP and MP management come into play. "Well I never have..." stop right there, just because you didn't doesn't mean others do not. There's too many variables to put out there that give one single answer to everything.

You want healers to DPS, do your job, have DPS do their job and if your healer is up for the task they will. If you do the exact same huge pulls and don't get consistent results then its your fault not having the ability to gauge your party.

"The ones I've gotten don't want to." well, blame the tanks before them because usually healing I've learned that just because one tank made my life easy the next 20 will make it a living hell. If you want to pull the whole world and pop Berserk or FoF instead of Rampart, more power to you, but MP needs to be managed as it is so me spamming cure I / II on you while trying to throw out Holy's or Aero's is going to eat my cooldowns, just so you can start running to the next huge set with no time down.

Bottom line, be a better tank and you'll run into less issues. You're going to get crap DPS and crap healers, but you do your part and lower the %. Not a final and single answer to resolve the situation 100% but you doing your part helps.

[Revanslave]

So....because a healer focuses their job and doesn't go above and beyond, you're not going to do yours? The logic is strong with this one.

[Raygan]

have you ever considered mana usage?

I know sometimes im standing there "doing nothing" because it's a hard fight, everyone is (currently) full health, and I am conserving my mana for heals... not DPS, because i get low occasionally. Do you actually watch for this, or just assuming they are lazy/unskilled? Would you rather have heals, or have your healer go oom cuz she was dpsing? Tanks dont watch my mana quite a lot and start boss fights while I'm low, and i end up having to conserve.

[HappyHubris]

Out of curiosity, how do "heal only" healers stay awake in four man content? Without pushing myself on damage I would be snoring.