How strong should role-specific stats be?

[Brannigan]

Make them slightly more potent than the other stats so that they become the primary focus, and once you hit the cap (which shouldn't be difficult btw, with plenty room for overmelding after), you then move to other secondary stats that befit the playstyle.

What you've described here is a stat known as Accuracy. Now, I actually liked accuracy - it's one of the few stats that you have to actually build a gear set around. Det/Crit/Speed for most classes (except those who have procs on crit, etc) all do the same thing, so making a gearset that maximized those while hitting just the right amount of accuracy was actually kind of neat. Now, if you're a class that doesn't have crit procs or some sort of specific speed threshold you can just wear whatever.

Tenacity and Piety are decent stats imo because they do something that isn't just "increases dps." They should be available to everyone to meld (even though there's little reason for a MNK to chase Tenacity or whatever).

[Kazrah]

Tenacity and Piety are decent stats imo because they do something that isn't just "increases dps." They should be available to everyone to meld (even though there's little reason for a MNK to chase Tenacity or whatever).

Question is how strong should those two stats be, or how much they should be weighed compared to other secondary stats. Right now, Tenacity is weighed rather, which is a shame since that just makes it Det's dopey little brother and nowhere near worth investing. Piety might be slightly better weighed, although I'm not too sure how much it is this time around. Also the nice thing about both stats is that DPS don't benefit from either, so you can just blanket all your DPS sets with Crit/Det.

Oh right, and Accuracy was a pointless stat and I'm glad it got replaced by Direct Hit because all Accuracy did was punish healers.

[VanilleFang]

so you can just blanket all your DPS sets with Crit/Det.

What about Direct Hit? We don't know how the stat weights are but Direct Hit seems pretty decent. With 1000~ it seems you can get Direct Hits pretty frequently.

[TankHunter678]

What about Direct Hit? We don't know how the stat weights are but Direct Hit seems pretty decent. With 1000~ it seems you can get Direct Hits pretty frequently.

Based on current testing 40 DH = 1% chance to direct hit for +25% damage. So 2000 DH (which dragoons can hit with the right gear and melds) for instance is a 50% chance at +25% damage.

Which is what I have been told by FC mates looking into it.

[Kazrah]

What about Direct Hit? We don't know how the stat weights are but Direct Hit seems pretty decent. With 1000~ it seems you can get Direct Hits pretty frequently.

Direct Hit seems to be Crit without the damage bonus attached, so it's not the weight so much as the effect that pulls it down in priority. It's not a bad thing to have, but there seem to be better things to pile on from what I can tell.

[EusisLandale]

Direct Hit seems to be Crit without the damage bonus attached, so it's not the weight so much as the effect that pulls it down in priority. It's not a bad thing to have, but there seem to be better things to pile on from what I can tell.

Direct Hit is honestly the best stat to have at the moment, unless you're a Bard or Healer. This only changes once people can pass 2838 crit if they've got a Bard or 3012 if they don't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...o_stat_values/
Also, in regards to tanking, assuming left side gear with no Tenacity, or so little you can fully slot materia into it, the difference between it and Direct Hit are negligible to everyone except those going for absolute optimization.
157 Direct Hit for an average of a 1% DPS increase. 180 Tenacity for the same. Left side materia slots can hold 520 stat points. 3.3% DPS increase from Direct Hit, 2.8% DPS increase from Tenacity.
People are going to notice the 2.8% less damage taken more than they're going to notice the tank doing an extra 10-15 DPS. The gap between Tenacity and Determination is even less, to the point I'd honestly think the former is better overall for the group just to let the healers squeeze in a few extra attacks over a fight.