The state of DPS and why I both love and hate RDM

[Pidooma]

The difference will come from players learning the ins and outs of fights and learning what they can abuse, while something like the RDM has minimal room to go up even if they do learn everything about a particular encounter. Again, even if you nerfed RDM they will still be equal if not higher than the average player playing the most difficult job. For example bard is doing quite well in ex susano due to being able to move freely at all times, even with their amount of utility (which greatly outshines RDMs).

Even if you lowered RDM to 4k dps from 4.5k and BLM is up to 4.5k you'll still have fights where BLM only does 4k due to heavy movement while the RDM also manages 3.8-4k due to being punished less. These types of threads will then change to the real issue of "these jobs are punished too much to pull off their their maximum" which is the conversation I believe we should be having anyway.

[Misutoraru]

My goodness, I will tirelessly repeat this until the end of time if I must x)
Please. Do not. Use. The 99% percentile.
Please. These are padded runs where "which AST drew more balances at the right time" decides who gets to stay and is bumped down.
Further, there are very few parses on the 99% percentile, so the results have extremely limited statistical validity.

using 1 % because i am trying to minimize the skill level difference
if those 1% are being setup, the lower % would have to involve players skill level which is a huge variant that cannot truly reflect jobs efficiency
then we need a better tool that FFlogs

And how are you arguing that "involving player skill in balance is a bad idea" and then grab a bunch of parses which likely feature some of the absolute best players x)?

like the previous answer, I do not want to use FFlogs as a tool for comparing jobs/class effectiveness, but we have no better tool than that at the moment
a job could be complex but do extremely good dmg if use right, and another job can be easy but no matter how good a player are the dmg is low
and using 1%, i m assuming they they equally skilled, thus, pulling almost the best of each class, this should give the most pure data of a jobs, but if those data are padded like you said, the whole FFlog become not very useful, we could use a 5% or even larger, but this would also mean the players skill will starting to skew the data more.

(And why would it be "slightly" higher than NIN/RDM? The reasons that justify SAM's high personal dps apply to BLM also...)

Caster cross role skill have better choice for team support and BLM AOE ability is not something SAM could match, BLM should be between SAM and MNK, despite it is very likely dev would use 8-man raid as a reference, but i prefer the balance not only around Full party raid but also dungeon, trial, and alliance raid

just a general idea how i feel balance should be achieve from, taking away the human factor, assuming all jobs performing at the max efficiency at given mechanics, and taken all the thing each jobs could offer in all type of game play

[Misutoraru]

Even if you lowered RDM to 4k dps from 4.5k and BLM is up to 4.5k you'll still have fights where BLM only does 4k due to heavy movement while the RDM also manages 3.8-4k due to being punished less. These types of threads will then change to the real issue of "these jobs are punished too much to pull off their their maximum" which is the conversation I believe we should be having anyway.

that's what i am trying to say
the potency need fine tuning for sure, but it is not the biggest issue, and it would not help the balance much
we could buff BLM to a level higher their damage than SAM still would see some BLM struggle, the timer are tight, the rotation have little room of mistake are the bigger issue that could not be fix just buffing BLM dmg or nerfing RDM dmg

[Amulrei]

I think BLMs need to be careful playing this "My rotation is more complex thus should do more damage than yours" card. Not only is it a petty and elitist argument but by their own logic, SMNs should be getting the buffs, not them.

Whatever complexities BLMs think they have isn't even on the same page as what SMN have to manage.

[Shiroe]

Used to believe Sam and Rdm needed nerfed,.. but looking back now, Smn and Blm need buffs..

it's OK for one caster to be "easy", but than smn should do as much if not more damage.. and Blm a lot more damage

(while Sam doesn't a nerf, it could use something new, that punishes a bit more)

[Shiroe]

I think BLMs need to be careful playing this "My rotation is more complex thus should do more damage than yours" card. Not only is it a petty and elitist argument but by their own logic, SMNs should be getting the buffs, not them.

Whatever complexities BLMs think they have isn't even on the same page as what SMN have to manage.

rotation difficulty smn>blm
end raid difficulty blm>>smn

[Reinha]

The playstyle of RDM is awesome and I want it kept exactly as it is. Raise, cure, mobility and party buff included. However I have noticed that it feels quite powerful compared to it's counterparts and I think it's because they can buff other jobs on top of having decent damage of their own. The best way to handle it IMO would be to buff the damage of SMN and give them more utility and nerf the damage of RDM or Embolden to the point where RDM+Embolden contributes as much as BLM in a movement-heavy fight. If that is already the case then no nerfs are needed.

[Core1019]

BLM AOE ability is not something SAM could match, BLM should be between SAM and MNK, despite it is very likely dev would use 8-man raid as a reference, but i prefer the balance not only around Full party raid but also dungeon, trial, and alliance raid

AoE damage might be nice to have, but is 100% irrelavent when it comes to balancing. The only content that matters in this game is single target content.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

I don't think RDM needs nerfs, but it needs to be at the bottom of the pile when it comes to personal DPS. It has too much utility and it's not punished at all by hardly any mechanics.
The DPS hierarchy should be BLM > SMN > RDM. BLM should be SAM levels of strong DPS because all it brings is DPS.
To deny that RDM shouldn't be top of the pile in DPS with all of the utility it brings is just pure stupidity.

[Misutoraru]

AoE damage might be nice to have, but is 100% irrelavent when it comes to balancing. The only content that matters in this game is single target content.

it should be relevant, PVE is not only full party raid, it is also light party dungeon and alliance raid, should even extend to FATE or outside dungeon content
and balance should be around all of them not just fighting boss after boss
it is already 4.0 in FFXIV, we should see or in better word Dev should have provide high tier end game content not just focus on single target boss fight after boss fight, more type of high tier end game content should be introduce or these situation will be over and over again