Halve mana on stance swap

[eagledorf]

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I think this is a good idea, but probably not realistic until the next expansion. It would be simple to do (add a hate drop on DPS stance or something), but considering all our new toys are DPS and some are stance-restricted it would make people mad to be forced into tank stance unless they give us new toys for hate generation to keep us interested.

If they dropped this on us now, it would be like being given a toy cardboard sword and then having that sword soaked with water so it's floppy and useless. You'd be more angry than if you never got the toy in the first place!

At the end of the day FFXIV is a theme park where we get to play out the hero of a FF game and feel awesome for a few hours a week. They need to make our toys all feel really important; if they wanted to put us into tank stance, then they've already failed to design it so that cool to do so.

[Tegernako]

This thread is really funny. On the other side, it's weird how some people are saying war is fine and and they don't even have it leveled. No one wants it to be OP as some claims. It's not completely broken, but it's very clunky and definitely needs fixing. I myself am a war main since the beginning of ARR and I'm still playing it, though what is our reward for playing a clunky complicated job? Nothing, that's what the current war is. It's viable, but it makes you feel like shit.

I love it when people claim a sarcastic thread poster is being ignorant but then claim we lose the least when we switch stances. Stuff like that is real ignorance.

It's kind of surprising how much misinformation is floating around out there about how these actions actually work. Perhaps the solution is not to buff the job, but buff our knowledge?

He's joking...

I don't think he's pretending. I think he's completely oblivious to the fact that the adjustments to WAR were not only appropriate, but long overdue and is complaining about anything and everything without any knowledge about the skills he's complaining about in the hopes that somehow SE is as ignorant as he is and will buff WAR to be overpowered as hell again.

From a purely mathematical perspective, both the tank stance penalty and the stance-dance penalties are better balanced right now than at any point in the past. The only thing WAR needs is some kind of TBN/Intervention equivalent to use as OT. Otherwise they're more than fine since they still have the most flexible stance changes.

1. How about no. Not only because you have absolutely zero proof about that but because he's exaggerating so much in this thread you literally should not take 99% of it seriously...which people are and it's just...why?

2. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't call someone oblivious then post that.

[Dizzy_Derp]

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Well i have both the knowledge and skills to be complaining and he isnt far off. SE is not ignorant, thats why war will certainly see huge buffs. super unbalanced is more like it. Have one tank class with no utility a 2× harder rotation and do the same damage as the other two. Putting drk with only one raid utility below the dps of a pld is fkn retarded and putting war under them is even worse considering the last of ANY RAID urility. The only reason slashing was ever considered a utility was because it was a dps loss for bin, but now sam and min do it at no cost. Oh and lets half gauge on swap when though war is the only tank actually affected by the penalty. Don't try and tell me some bs about mana or your shelltron thats a weak at argument. Doemt affect gameplay at all and it doesn't cost drk or pld upwards of 500 dps like it does to war. The penalty is crippling only to them. Also war was never overpowered, the meta just made them a nessicity. Drk actually could do more damage when played at the top.

[Synestra]

Now you have a stance that actually costs something as opposed to being borderline-free

To be honest i always wanted that SE would make PLD and DRK stances oGCD and free but they took the boring route and removed that luxury from WAR as well ;_;

[Kothos]

This thread reminded me that I can still laugh after square screwed Soo much. Good job OP

[Felorr]

This thread. Some of you are sarcastically joking about changes. Some of you are attempting to make legitimate suggestions that are by far worse than the troll suggestions.

Before you take the time to dream up some stupid "fix", ask yourself "am I an idiot?" and if the answer is yes, don't bother posting your garbage suggestions.

[AdamZ]

But those are the biggest changes that could be made. Outside of just buffing potencies. War would be able to ignore damage penalty while building threat then switch to dps stance with no penalty or cost whatsoever. That's a huge boost. Not only that, it would really eliminate any choices you'd have to make. Lack of choices generally equals stagnant gameplay.

It is really not that big of a boost from a meta point of view. Pally will still have greater DPS and utility, meaning it is still not that unlikely we will see double pally in the world first race. Sure without DRK buffs to DPS it likely makes WAR>DRK, but I am for DRK buffs.

Opening in tank stance with unchained is really just a quality of life thing, so you can do it in pug/more causal setting. As any speed kill, or if progression hits a enrage wall, will have the tanks open in dps stance. Same with the halving of the gauge. In theory WAR's will just be pushing to be in dps stance full fight, never needing the switch. Basically optimal WAR dps is tied to the skills of your group more then ever, adjusting for what I said just allows for a bit of separation.

[YitharV2]

But those are the biggest changes that could be made. Outside of just buffing potencies. War would be able to ignore damage penalty while building threat then switch to dps stance with no penalty or cost whatsoever. That's a huge boost. Not only that, it would really eliminate any choices you'd have to make. Lack of choices generally equals stagnant gameplay.

I'm for Unchained being separated from Inner Release, but meta wise, Unchained is actually a DPS loss. What the meta groups would do is have the WAR open with Tomahawk+Equilibrium while having a NIN use Shadewalker. Unchained is good for pugs though.

[whiskeybravo]

I'm for Unchained being separated from Inner Release, but meta wise, Unchained is actually a DPS loss. What the meta groups would do is have the WAR open with Tomahawk+Equilibrium while having a NIN use Shadewalker. Unchained is good for pugs though.

It's a dps loss when you can just jump through a hoop of fire on one leg while balancing 3 glasses of milk and an egg on your forehead instead.

I still think unchained is a strong cd, no other tank can ignore their tank stance damage penalty. If top end meta players aren't going to use unchained anyways, then it's basically just a QOL change for those of us in the middle. I mean I'm not saying I'd be pissed or happy if they do or don't change it, literally makes no difference to me. I just see it leading to more convoluted technique finagling if they both reduced/eliminated the cost of swapping stances and untied IR/Unchained. And it provides further incentive to tank in deliverance as much as possible which I think is the exact opposite direction the devs intended by the changes.

[Synestra]

Just a small note but in PvP WAR doesn't lose any BG when dropping or going in stance :^)

Damn you SE why you must tease us!