When are the Scions gonna get the memo...

[Cilia]

My take on the issue is kind of like how the metaphysics of BlazBlue work. Hydaelyn is our Observer - every death we have is but one potential outcome, and She only observes the one where we come out alive. All those deaths? Actually happened... just, not really.

Of course I'm fully willing to accept the gameplay and story segregation, but if you insist on having a reason...

[Alleo]

I am quite thankful that I am not the only one that was a bit skeptic about the sudden "echo is the reason we see AOEs and other stuff" in ingame lore. I am a firm believer of story =/ ingame mechanic, because it simply does not make sense to me.

The main character having a certain plot armor so that they dont die is part of a lot of games. And it makes sense to me. We, as the players, might get the feeling that everything is easy and that we will never die (or at least not in the middle of the game) because it would be "Game over". Yes you might have some games where this might happen but most of the time you play someone else after that or its a survival game.

It is simply not possible for our character to truly die in FF14. Even at the end of the story we cant die, because this is a MMO and thus its not over if we played through the story. This might mean that its getting boring for some players but people have to understand that there will always be a limit in such games. The only way you can show defeat for our heroes is by having another person die, escaping from certain deaths and anything that is not lethal and does not change the look of the player. All of this was already done in FF14 but they cant do more than this. They cant make us lose all the time because that would become boring too and it also becomes unbelievable if someone survives all of this.

And like others have said: Our character does not have the knowledge we have. They did not know that they will survive the rebellion, nor do they know that a lot of the other important NPCs have plot armor too. (And we kinda dont know if they will have that plot armor forever) The same can be said about the Scions. They know that we are very good fighters, but they also saw us being defeated or pushed back. And those primals are still no jokes. And lets not forget that the WoD were already death. They gave up their bodies to come to our world, so maybe they could stand up again and again because they were no longer truly normal beings. Also our character does not seem to have that great of a control over their echo.

The WoL will stay human as long as SE wants him/her to be seen that way but also how long the player themselves want to see him/her that way. Because the WoL itself is someone with only a bit of character and the rest is something that each one of us reads into him/her. In my version my character lost the person she loved, lost other important people along her side, thus feels like she cant truly protect the people she cares about. She is emotional not that stable anymore and after learning about all the shards and people living on them, she has even more of a burden to bear. She did not really want to take part in a war and if it would go her way she would try to negotiate more (she was with Alphinaud to save Estinien and she did her best to not have to kill that group of Lupins).

What do I want to say with that bit of a description? That its not really easy to say when or even if our character ever gets to be more of a weapon/monster/god. On one side it depends a bit on SE but on the other hand it also depends greatly on the player themselves. How do you see the actions of your own character? How do you play them? Unlike lots of other single players where you get a character that you cant really play your way, you at least have a bit of freedom in FF14.

[LineageRazor]

From the perspective of NPCs in the game, we are not necessarily immortal. Ungodly tough, sure, and phenomenally brave - but there is no way to prove that someone is immortal. This is true in real life, as well. You (yes YOU, the real you, on the other side of the screen, reading this right now) could very well be immortal. Probably not, sure, but the only way to say for certain one way or another is for you to die.

Well, the Warrior of Light has not died yet, but in the eyes of all who know them within the scope of the game, they are mortal. They simply haven't encountered anything capable of killing them, yet. But because the Warrior of Light is a brave hero, they are constantly pitting themselves against gravely dangerous opponents and tremendously risky odds. If anything is going to kill them, it will be one of the many super dangerous missions they accept. The friendly NPCs know this, and because they care about the WoL, they worry for his safety. The unfriendly NPCs aren't about to buy into the whole immortality thing either, and so continue to attempt to find the WoL's Achilles' Heel.

Because this is a game, we know that our character is immortal. There's no reason, however, for the characters in the game to believe so.

[Akonyl]

For all their worries, it's a wonder that we still get sent into all these situations effectively alone. We even have a new buddy who has the Echo (Mr White X Face hyur) who could be sent to tag along with us in our journeys and possible primal-slaying, but yet the Scions still just expect us to call in our 7 mysterious Echo-Buddies to deal with everything.

I don't really see much a need to explain away our wipes as Echo-lore related when every time some catastrophic new primal bursts out of the ground the WoL's expected to just go "Whoa! Alright, hold on, lemme get on my linkpearl, I know some people. Just wait for them to fly over here, okay? Can we hold off murdering me until then? Thanks."

[Kyran-Varlsen]

For all their worries, it's a wonder that we still get sent into all these situations effectively alone. We even have a new buddy who has the Echo (Mr White X Face hyur) who could be sent to tag along with us in our journeys and possible primal-slaying, but yet the Scions still just expect us to call in our 7 mysterious Echo-Buddies to deal with everything.

I don't really see much a need to explain away our wipes as Echo-lore related when every time some catastrophic new primal bursts out of the ground the WoL's expected to just go "Whoa! Alright, hold on, lemme get on my linkpearl, I know some people. Just wait for them to fly over here, okay? Can we hold off murdering me until then? Thanks."

Who the heck is Mr. White Face? I thought he was a meme, is this SB Content or HW content? I missed a lot of stuff as a new player.

[Akonyl]

Who the heck is Mr. White Face? I thought he was a meme, is this SB Content or HW content? I missed a lot of stuff as a new player.

There's another Mr White Face who's more likely the one you're thinking of, that's just a player who makes meme videos (really just "Mr Face", but he uses white face paint). Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOBpATa1HUY

The one I'm talking about is a character introduced in Stormblood, unrelated to that guy. I just call him Mr White X Face because I forget his name (I just know it starts with an A: Edit: Looked it up, Arenvald). He's just a side character that shows up sometimes with the Scions, but he's notable because he has the Echo like the player.

[Kyran-Varlsen]

There's another Mr White Face who's more likely the one you're thinking of, that's just a player who makes meme videos (really just "Mr Face", but he uses white face paint). Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOBpATa1HUY

The one I'm talking about is a character introduced in Stormblood, unrelated to that guy. I just call him Mr White X Face because I forget his name (I just know it starts with an A: Edit: Looked it up, Arenvald). He's just a side character that shows up sometimes with the Scions, but he's notable because he has the Echo like the player.

Oh yes, Arenvald. I spoke with him whenever I could - I just forgot about his distinct face paint. Silly me.

Good on you Moose, we should all be so lucky to get in a Youtube Music video (or our avater atleast) before the next Umbral Calamity.

[Anonymoose]

Checking forums, casually sipping on a drink, sees Mr. Face mentioned, chokes, laughs.

While Akonyl was referring to Arenvald, for future reference, Mr. Face is the alter ego of Final Fantasy XIV fan video legend Denmo McStronghuge. He's a (mostly) silent roegabro who treads the line between creeper and cool-guy and appears in various comedic contexts. Every now and then on party finder or Twitter, you'll be lucky enough to stumble across an extra / back-up dancer recruitment or some such. For example, random Moose sighting in the video Akonyl just linked, 2m 58s, far left.

[Alleo]

We probably dont have him with us because he is simply not strong enough. Having the echo does not make one stronger (only if you are a Garlean somehow..). Otherwise Krile or Minfilia would have been strong too. All the echo ever did (before SB..) was protecting us from being tempered. At least if the WoL goes there alone (or with 7 others if you want to see it that way) they do not have to worry about people like that.

(Who knows maybe all this talk about great fights is all just a way to make others love us and in reality we are just playing some TT against them and are winning all the time °L°)

[Nezia]

Having the echo does not make one stronger (only if you are a Garlean somehow..).

I believe the echo is probably the strongest power one could have in the world of ffxiv, it's just that... we don't try it that much for whatever reason. At first the echo was just something that gave you some hints of the past,then we learn that it makes us immune to primals influence, then by the end of ARR we learn that you could use it to become virtualy immortal, then now in SB we learn that it can enchance one's combat performance AND is also a stronger version of the primals influence to the point that you could even control primals themselves. Who knows what comes next, and who knows why the hell we don't go and try to develop it ourselves?