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  1. #31
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    LegolasT's Avatar
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    Aizen Blackfyre
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    Siren
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    First when people complain about DRK PLEASE make sure they are a 70 DRK because if they arnt don't take them seriously at all. Especially on the forums. I feel the tanks are balanced in a sense on what each can offer I do feel that the DPS factor should not be PLD WAR DRK tho. In fact I believe it should be DRK WAR PLD in DPS seeing that DRK has the most AOE and 2 fell cleave type attacks in DA Carve and spit and DA Bloodspiller its as if they designed DRK to he a DPS machine but didn't really give it the DPS to back it up.
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  2. #32
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    Dizzy_Derp's Avatar
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    Dizzy Dash
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by LegolasT View Post
    First when people complain about DRK PLEASE make sure they are a 70 DRK because if they arnt don't take them seriously at all. Especially on the forums. I feel the tanks are balanced in a sense on what each can offer I do feel that the DPS factor should not be PLD WAR DRK tho. In fact I believe it should be DRK WAR PLD in DPS seeing that DRK has the most AOE and 2 fell cleave type attacks in DA Carve and spit and DA Bloodspiller its as if they designed DRK to he a DPS machine but didn't really give it the DPS to back it up.
    Due to tbn it should fall behind warrior and ahead of pld in the dps department
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  3. #33
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LegolasT View Post
    First when people complain about DRK PLEASE make sure they are a 70 DRK because if they arnt don't take them seriously at all. Especially on the forums.
    Max level content is not the only content that is tanked. If a class does not feel functional compared to its peers at the same level blocks then there is a problem. Which is the case with DRK as it was re-balanced around an ability only available in 4 dungeons, 3 trials, and the current raid tier.

    What about all of the rest of the content?
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  4. #34
    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Max level content is not the only content that is tanked. If a class does not feel functional compared to its peers at the same level blocks then there is a problem. Which is the case with DRK as it was re-balanced around an ability only available in 4 dungeons, 3 trials, and the current raid tier.

    What about all of the rest of the content?
    Even in lower content if you know your job it shouldn't be an issue. I main DRK for my Tank role option, I can tell you it's not the job, it's the player. If a person can't adapt, or is even willing to re learn a job than they should change it to a different role rather then complain. Over all all jobs were changed so even using the amount of content for a maxed level is more of an excuse. A tank can adjust to any situation if they are skilled or at a minimum practice with the actions they have.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp View Post
    Due to tbn it should fall behind warrior and ahead of pld in the dps department
    Says who? Statistics? If a person knows the their job the only way it can be outclass if there is a better player with better gear / understands their role. While I may not be the best tank I consider my self well trained and can out class some tanks that are both better geared or considered better than DRK. Results is all that matters.
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    Last edited by ManuelBravo; 07-12-2017 at 11:46 PM. Reason: Charater limit

  5. #35
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    @ OP
    Bad enough to where SE needs to fix them, but not bad enough that you shouldn't play it in casual endgame if that is what you want.
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  6. #36
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    Mnemosynia's Avatar
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    Lilith Pendragon
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
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    You do know that statistics are a good control for the baseline power of a class taking skill out of account.

    That being said the tank population, took a steep decrease in SB dps are sitting in 25min queues, you dont have to look very far to see most are dissatisfied even look at the live letter Yoshi had to talk about it aswell. I Dont understand how you people can go about saying theres no issue at all when even SE understands there are issues. There is no we are okay its based on personal skill we are not okay and just running along ignoring it is just gonna further depress the tank population further.

    DRKs are in a bad spot OP just read the forums goto Reddit read the live letter ignore all the 70drks who say its okay, play the class you like of course but dont settle like all of these other DRK players who say its fine.

    Leveling is bad.
    Dps is bad.
    Our cds bad.
    Living dead is still the worst heavy tank cd.

    Play the class but dont settle ask for fixes expansions should not make a job worse.
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    Last edited by Mnemosynia; 07-13-2017 at 12:27 AM. Reason: Android phone nonsenae

  7. #37
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    Lannybaby's Avatar
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    Lann Devereux
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    Exodus
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 97
    As a lv 70 drk, I'll tell you that this class is, as Xeno put it, brain-dead easy. The HW complexity is all but gone, and it's just effortless to deal high damage. Basically, DA all the things, keep your mana up, then DA some more, and you're pretty much golden. You can even deal good damage sitting in grit if you want. But if you ever want to do just a touch more, go ahead and turn off that grit. Mana management will be a bit tighter, but not too difficult either. Less sustain, but you hit harder.
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  8. #38
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    Shinkyo's Avatar
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lannybaby View Post
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    In the current form, tbn is thr only mechanics that can be leverage to add more depth to our dps rotation.
    We should be encouraged to convert as many tbn into BS as possible.
    Problem is that BS is not enough of a dps increase (ouside grit) considering the risk of the shield not breaking if not timed right.
    A good fix to that would be for TBN to also provide a free DA when the shield breaks.
    That would be a very rewarding mechanic and wouldn't affect BS that you'd use from normal gauge build up.
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  9. #39
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    Lannybaby's Avatar
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    Lann Devereux
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
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    Honestly, I never had trouble with breaking tbn. If I see an AoE coming, or something that would hurt a party member, I just give them tbn. It pretty much pops 100% of the time because of the lower shield potency.

    If I could add something to tbn, it would be to add the unused shield value as damage to your next weapon skill attack. This would drive the skill away from being just a clutch def cd, and turn it into a dps increase whether it pops or not.

    Another addition could be to reduce the cd of delirium with every use of blood gauge. Maybe a half second per 10 blood used. This would alleviate some stress in delirium's long cd, and would better reward players who don't let their blood cap frequently.
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    Last edited by Lannybaby; 07-13-2017 at 05:37 AM.

  10. #40
    Player
    Shinkyo's Avatar
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lannybaby View Post
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    Considering we already complain about DA spamming, I'd avoid introducing even more DA spamming through your delirium buff.

    Breaking TBN on telegraphed moves is easy but through omega normal, I'm being in multiple occasions where I use TBN in between telegraph moves and the boss starts goes into animation lock for a cast or mechanic and my TBN goes to waste.
    Or just your timing is off by a second...
    It requires good knowledge of the fight and it should be rewarded more that it currently is.
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