SE concern about HP Inflation doesn't make sense with existing tank gear

[Gunndykol]

SE says that they removed Tank DPS scaling from VIT because they were "afraid that it would lead to HP inflation"; and yet, when they created all 4.x Tank Accessories, they all have VIT on them! If they were worried about tank HP inflation, they shouldn't have put VIT on Tank Accessories, regardless of whether tanks main stat is pure STR or combination of STR+VIT like in 3.x.

If HP inflation is a concern, the simple fix is to just do like every other class and only place VIT on left side gear and leave right sides for Primary Stat + secondaries. Seems like just replacing all current VIT on tank accessories with STR solves the issue. Tank accessories could still have tank secondaries vs melee dps accessories to differentiate them.

[YitharV2]

I think it makes more sense if you think in relation to AP (since VIT affected both). Say they want tank AP to be a certain amount for aggro or for DPS (which requires a certain amount of VIT). Then HP would inadvertently be increased as well.

I'm not exactly happy with the change either, but fundamentally what it comes down to is that two stats are hard to tune independently when they're both dependent on one stat.

[Marxam]

I just hope that they return to the vit/str scaling of 3.5. An easy fix would make vit and str = .45 each and have it reflected on the accessories. Ex. a fending accessory in 4.01 would normally have 120 vit, but in 4.05 it's 60 vit and 60 str. Problem solved imo and address' the hp inflation and attack power scaling needed to hold aggro.

[Brannigan]

If you tie attack power to vitality then you cannot reduce the rate at which you increase vitality through ilvl without also reducing the rate at which you increase attack power. Say from item level 320 to 340 the devs decide HP is increasing too quickly, they can reduce the amount gained from 340 to 360. If attack power is tied to VIT then that also screws attack power and requires a change to the AP formula (which is sloppy, like constantly tweaking enmity modifiers)

[Reynhart]

Say from item level 320 to 340 the devs decide HP is increasing too quickly, they can reduce the amount gained from 340 to 360. If attack power is tied to VIT then that also screws attack power and requires a change to the AP formula (which is sloppy, like constantly tweaking enmity modifiers)

But with the recent change, they simply ensure that future accessories won't increase damage at all (on the "main stat" part), so attack power is screwed anyway.
It would have made more sense to talk about "Tank damage inflation", in the sense that increasing HP more and more would also increase damage a lot.

[Brannigan]

But with the recent change, they simply ensure that future accessories won't increase damage at all (on the "main stat" part), so attack power is screwed anyway.

This is irrelevant. The point is to have HP and AP isolated from each other so that they can adjust HP values without affecting AP. Even with .45Vit/.45Str they could do that by adjusting the Vit:HP formula, but the problem is that affects people of ALL gear levels. Maybe they just want item level 400 tanks to be at a certain HP value, but are fine with item level 350 HP. How do they change that? By changing the amount of Vit on the i400 gear. The problem with that is that it throws off their projections for tank attack power at that ilvl (if you get AP from Vit), which they might have been fine with before. When all of your AP is on strength, they can tweak tank HP without having any impact on their damage dealt.

2.x was just like how it is now

The stuff you're posting here is replying to something I didn't write. I know what tanks did with their accessories in 2.0 - I'm talking about the Vitality-to-Strength ratio on armor as it relates to increasing item level through the expansion. I don't remember the exact numbers, but in Heavensward an item level 190 body had something close to 5% more vitality than strength, but by item level 240 that had increased to 12% more vitality than strength.

[Kitfox]

The point is to have HP and AP isolated from each other so that they can adjust HP values without affecting AP.

This guy gets it.

Furthermore:

It's a balancing problem.

Increasing tank DPS through VIT has these possible side-effects:
-Tank eHP is increased in comparison to incoming damage
-Non-tank eHP is reduced if tank eHP is balanced by increasing incoming damage

Likewise, reducing tank DPS through VIT has the opposite side-effects:
-Tank eHP is reduced in comparison to incoming damage
-Non-tank eHP is increased if tank eHP is balanced by reducing incoming damage

[Falar]

I like being back on STR:ATK POWER being 1:!.

However, they need to put STR on our accessories.

[SyzzleSpark]

I'm not even entirely sure what the hell they mean by "HP inflation"...

You mean our HP goes up with levels/better gear like every other relevant stat to a given job in the game? Say it isn't so.

[Awful]

I'm not even entirely sure what the hell they mean by "HP inflation"...

You mean our HP goes up with levels/better gear like every other relevant stat to a given job in the game? Say it isn't so.

Yep I 110% agree this is the first MMO where they said "tanks have too much HP, they're inflated". When I played games like WoW n other MMOs that when I got better gear, better accessories my HP would go up don't we want that as tanks? This situation is getting out of control the live letter better give us good information and good changes for tanks because the waiting is getting unbearable.