Samurai rotation at 70 help please

[Shizzle]

Edit: iLvL 310 eh? It should be more than enough. Keep trying![/QUOTE]

Ok I always open up with Kasha opener for the speed buff then from there hakaze into yukikaze then kaiten + higanbana then from there I add onto my hakaze jinpu into gekko so I have both the damage and speed buff as well as the slash down and dot on target I do try to use guren as often as it is up as well as 3 zen kaiten midare setsugekka . I however am trying to figure out where in my rotation to fit Shiten in as I usually dont use Shiten alot :/ Is it because of not using Shiten that often really causing such a large decrease in DPS that has me worried if so :/

[Janhyua]

I however am trying to figure out where in my rotation to fit Shiten in :/

The 25 ki offgcd can be used anytime any where lol just push that button as you do your gcd

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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You want to be using Shinten fairly often, as a matter of fact, when you're around 40 kenki or over. The only exception to the above is if you're saving up for a Guren. In addition, the earliest you want to apply Yukikaze is at the 8th GCD, as part of your first Meikyo.

[Lyrai_Celestine]

the earliest you want to apply Yukikaze is at the 8th GCD, as part of your first Meikyo.

Oh? So... can you elaborate about this? How do you do your opener? I'm curious, since the earliest time I use Meikyo Shisui is after the 8th GCD, right after doing a 3-Sen Hagakure.

So you 3 sen a Hagakure every 40 sec?

Yup! This is in order to perform as many Hissatsu: Shiten as possible. For whenever you want to use Hagakure, your Kenki gauge should be at least less than 40.

[Janhyua]

3-Sen Hagakure

Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?

[VasilissaXylonez]

Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?

Theoretically hagakure is always a dps increase.
If you look at the potency per kenki,
Shinten = 300/25 = 12pot/kenki.
Midare+Kaiten = 1080/80 = 13.5 kenki.
But shinten is an oGCD, so it's a bit more complex than that.

For argument's sake, let's replace the slot that you use for midare with hakaze, which is the best case scenario for using midare.
Then, you're actually looking more at
Midare + kaiten = (1080-150) / 80 = 11.625 pot/kenki.
This is outside of the fact that hakaze (and other gcds) also generate kenki. In this example, you're actually losing 5 kenki from hakaze, not to mention you're 1 gcd slower to the next combo everytime you use midare.

Of course this is only valid if can make use of all those kenkis generated from hagakure and are not above 40 kenki.

[Allyrion]

Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?

I can hit over in SSS 4.6k with using Hagakure almost off CD. It's always a dps gain over Midare overall. You have to do a lot of testing around this or just look at it from theorycrafting. Technically you may get lucky and get a higher number with more Midare because a direct ht crit with Midare is huge. Getting one is like getting 4 direct hit crits off Shinten in a row.

It's great for burst and if you get lucky it spikes your dps, but converting to Kenki is more consistent in getting higher damage and works better with actual mechanics.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

So... can you elaborate about this? How do you do your opener?

Kasha combo, Haga, Gekko combo, Kaiten+Banana, Meikyo+Yuki, Guren+Kasha, Gekko, Kaiten+Midare. The oGCD's precede the GCD's in that, but the idea is to get Higanbana up ASAP with the Jinpu buff, something you'd have to delay if you go yuki first because Yuki has no effect on Banana's DoT, while Jinpu does.

[Lyrai_Celestine]

the idea is to get Higanbana up ASAP with the Jinpu buff, something you'd have to delay if you go yuki first because Yuki has no effect on Banana's DoT, while Jinpu does.

Oh? Higanbana's not affected by Yukikaze? That's news for me. Got it, I'll keep that in mind. I'll give your 1-sen opener a shot! Your banana term makes me giggle though. xD

Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?

I have no conclusive proof yet, since I'm only a new level 70 SAM myself. If your rotation has been working well, don't take my suggestion to heart and stick with your preferred method.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Oh? Higanbana's not affected by Yukikaze? That's news for me.

Basically, Yuki only buffs the initial hit on Banana and has no effect on the DoT, because DoTs are never affected by resistance down debuffs, only stuff like TA and anything that boosts overall damage like Balance, due to snapshotting on application. Of course, it's not the only opener you can use, but it's my preferred one for most content. Also, I hate auto correct...