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  1. #21
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine View Post
    Oh? Higanbana's not affected by Yukikaze? That's news for me.
    Basically, Yuki only buffs the initial hit on Banana and has no effect on the DoT, because DoTs are never affected by resistance down debuffs, only stuff like TA and anything that boosts overall damage like Balance, due to snapshotting on application. Of course, it's not the only opener you can use, but it's my preferred one for most content. Also, I hate auto correct...
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  2. #22
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    Lyrai_Celestine's Avatar
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    Lyrai Celestine
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Basically, Yuki only buffs the initial hit on Banana and has no effect on the DoT, only stuff like TA and anything that boosts overall damage like Balance, due to snapshotting on application.
    It does... only the initial damage is increased. This is why Higanbana was so misleading. A myth busted! ^^
    Thanks for the help.
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  3. #23
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    Vasilissa Xylonez
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    Tonberry
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Janhyua View Post
    Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?
    Theoretically hagakure is always a dps increase.
    If you look at the potency per kenki,
    Shinten = 300/25 = 12pot/kenki.
    Midare+Kaiten = 1080/80 = 13.5 kenki.
    But shinten is an oGCD, so it's a bit more complex than that.

    For argument's sake, let's replace the slot that you use for midare with hakaze, which is the best case scenario for using midare.
    Then, you're actually looking more at
    Midare + kaiten = (1080-150) / 80 = 11.625 pot/kenki.
    This is outside of the fact that hakaze (and other gcds) also generate kenki. In this example, you're actually losing 5 kenki from hakaze, not to mention you're 1 gcd slower to the next combo everytime you use midare.

    Of course this is only valid if can make use of all those kenkis generated from hagakure and are not above 40 kenki.
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  4. #24
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    Allyrion's Avatar
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    Yojimbo
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Janhyua View Post
    Do you happen to have your dps number? I am rather puzzle every time I tried to Hagakure 3 sen my dps dropped are you hitting 4.6k?
    I can hit over in SSS 4.6k with using Hagakure almost off CD. It's always a dps gain over Midare overall. You have to do a lot of testing around this or just look at it from theorycrafting. Technically you may get lucky and get a higher number with more Midare because a direct ht crit with Midare is huge. Getting one is like getting 4 direct hit crits off Shinten in a row.

    It's great for burst and if you get lucky it spikes your dps, but converting to Kenki is more consistent in getting higher damage and works better with actual mechanics.
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  5. #25
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    Clouse Cleyras
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    Rafflesia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Kasha opener hagakure jinpu guren higanbana.
    And always use hagakure when ready on 3 sens its the prioritization to spam Shinten, the attack that gives u more dps after higanbana. When u dont habe hagakure save use ur 3 sens into kaiten midare
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