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    Hestzhyen's Avatar
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    Hestzhyen Voer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    NO to crossdressing.

    I will not elaborate as to why I dont want it as I have done this multiple times already in some other threads and it really never ends well.
    Pretty sure quite a few people know my stance as they have been following those other said threads before too, so yeah.

    No, I do not want this.
    That's fine, you don't have to like it. You don't have to cross-dress if you don't want to. But denying everyone who wants it because of your personal feelings is a bit selfish. People already work with what they're given- dyes and designated neutral attire, despite clearly being intended for one or the other- and it hasn't hurt you or anyone else. Maybe SE can compromise and give players like you an option to turn off other people's glamours. It'd see niche use, but if it can satisfy people like you who care about gender roles and aesthetics while letting others have freedom of expression, I'd be okay with it.
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hestzhyen View Post
    That's fine, you don't have to like it. You don't have to cross-dress if you don't want to. But denying everyone who wants it because of your personal feelings is a bit selfish. People already work with what they're given- dyes and designated neutral attire, despite clearly being intended for one or the other- and it hasn't hurt you or anyone else. Maybe SE can compromise and give players like you an option to turn off other people's glamours. It'd see niche use, but if it can satisfy people like you who care about gender roles and aesthetics while letting others have freedom of expression, I'd be okay with it.

    Well, thats your point of view. I think its a selfish request to waste development time for this, because THIS is an actual niche that would be used by a minority of the players.
    Please dont make it sound like I am the minority with my opinion. Maybe a bunch of forum users will like this, but you bet the vast majority of players wont.
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    The WHM outfit on men is very similar to the ones women have. What is it you want changed on yours?

    http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...016/10/038.jpg

    It matches the type of collars they had in olden times (think 17th century)

    Not EVERYTHING has to be a carbon copy of each other. Both models are stylish and should be appreciated as they were designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejiko_san View Post
    The WHM outfit on men is very similar to the ones women have. What is it you want changed on yours?

    http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...016/10/038.jpg

    It matches the type of collars they had in olden times (think 17th century)

    Not EVERYTHING has to be a carbon copy of each other. Both models are stylish and should be appreciated as they were designed.
    It looks like some people just want straight up cross dressing, which is never going to happen, ever. i'm all for more options for male characters, so long as it's there own look, don't really need to be wearing the exact same outfits females wear, there is a reason they are designed differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    Well, thats your point of view. I think its a selfish request to waste development time for this, because THIS is an actual niche that would be used by a minority of the players.
    Please dont make it sound like I am the minority with my opinion. Maybe a bunch of forum users will like this, but you bet the vast majority of players wont.
    They don't have to retroactively make all the locked gear work for everyone, that would be way too much work. But at some point going forward I'd be happy if they were more inclusive with the glamour gear. It might be more effort, but being accessible to the other half of the population would offset the loss of quantity. The vast majority of players probably don't give a whit either way, you know. I'd rather be on the side of people who want more options rather than the one who thinks it's a waste of time, even if I personally wouldn't benefit much from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hestzhyen View Post
    They don't have to retroactively make all the locked gear work for everyone, that would be way too much work. But at some point going forward I'd be happy if they were more inclusive with the glamour gear. It might be more effort, but being accessible to the other half of the population would offset the loss of quantity. The vast majority of players probably don't give a whit either way, you know. I'd rather be on the side of people who want more options rather than the one who thinks it's a waste of time, even if I personally wouldn't benefit much from it.
    There are options that are practically identical between men and woman. It's normal that job specific ones differ a bit to match the body types. Look at the WHM ones, the collar looks like 17th century ones which often had Women with exposed throats and Men with cravates and more fitted outfits. It matches the style.

    While some people champion to make everything genderless other people like seeing the difference between races. You can't just say your opinion doesn't matter, we want everything to be the same thing.
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    Last edited by dejiko_san; 07-11-2017 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    NO to crossdressing.

    I will not elaborate as to why I dont want it as I have done this multiple times already in some other threads and it really never ends well.
    Pretty sure quite a few people know my stance as they have been following those other said threads before too, so yeah.

    No, I do not want this.
    Same. No on this
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    If it is too much work, I think simply not gender locking glamours or having heavy gender deviation from this point forward would be a nice compromise.

    I mean, it does go both ways, believe it or not. I want pants and tailored coats as badly as some guys want proper dresses.
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    Vahette Lauclaire
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    Lamia
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    I'm fine with this, I will never say no to something that lets me go for a more tomboyish appearance.

    On a semi-related note, props to whoever designed the Ala Mhigan tank set, by far one of my favorite armours in the game now.
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    Last edited by Syfurion; 07-11-2017 at 11:22 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

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    Kaizen Corrinthian
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    No thank you
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