PvP AFK

[TankHunter678]

I don't know. I think you are ignoring the "enjoy yourself" part of the equation. Continually rerunning PotD is like soul death. I'm not much for PvP but I'm pretty sure if I was going to run anything over and over I'd choose relatively ok xp (with a chance at better xp) than the cancer that is repeated PotD runs.

I honestly did not find pvp all that fun. Spending most of my time dead or unable to engage because of the disparity between melee and ranged. Initially it was fun, but that quickly wore off.

Then there was the fact that at worst, before the xp change, I would have to run pvp 4 times for every potd run and at best 2 times for every potd run. The main reason why I ran it was because it was something different.

But the xp change quickly made pvp even more of soul crushing grind of frustration then potd was. Removing it as an option to consider at least for me.

[Ametrine]

I've started calling out players and kicking anyone clearly afk off my party. The ones actively playing loved me for it.

[Enla]

I've started calling out players and kicking anyone clearly afk off my party. The ones actively playing loved me for it.

I need to start doing this as well. I watched a party of six basically goof off for five minutes at base while we were trying to push for first place and then had the gal to go 'this team sucks' in chat after I caught them and we lost.

[YitharV2]

This is getting ridiculous. In Frontline, people are just putting their characters on auto follow so they move but they don't actually have to be there. Now that pvp actually gives more exp based on wins, it sucks that there is nothing to combat this and we just end up losing because half the people are afk. We only get one boot per four hours, so we don't have enough to get rid of people doing this, and people can't vote to kick when half the people are not even there.

Are you telling me that the exp nerf did nothing to deter afkers?

Its funny how this became a huge problem when the XP was changed so that you need to win to get 100% of the xp and everyone else gets only 70% (which is equal to a win 3 levels ago). Before the change there would be the occasional afk or bot. Moment the xp gets nerfed? Suddenly scores of bots/afks infesting entire teams.

Its like, since they know they are bad they wont get a win and unless their team does really well and manages to hold it then there is no reason for them to try. Understandable considering how terrible win rates are for most people. Before the change when you got equal xp to everyone win or lose you just played to have fun and get xp.

[Ametrine]

PVP has massive selection of non-RNG dependant rewards, too. Makai gear, tons of vanity, minions....

[Antonio_Xul]

I was very anti-PVP until I tried it out and I'm having a lot of fun. I started only to try to get at least one of those damned horses and realized how much fun it is. I am only 2 wins away from my 1st horse and even after XP was added I didn't see much difference. I'm not very good, but I try. I just stick and move, pop in and out trying to lure a sucker out of their group and then I pop 'em. I average at least 3 kills per match, but I get about 12 assists which I hope is good. After trying out as Dragoon & Black Mage, I realized I got killed to quickly. Then I started using Warrior and now I do last a while and do some damage against my opponents. All in all, I don't see a lot of AFKers and except once and someone called them out on it. Without them we was close to victory, but once spotted, they jumped in a snatched victory for us. Currently I am playing PVP not for XP, but for fun, win or lose, I am enjoying myself.

[Serilda]

There aren't enough players to split the FL queues in most groups. I don't mind losing the XP if certain demographics cannot resist cheating relentlessly rather than playing the game they pay to play. I'd also support removing the XP for last place entirely, or for teams who don't manage at least some baseline progress towards the core objective (nobody on the third place team should be going home with XP if the final scores are 1600/1590/0, for example).

And like, actually banning exploiters from the mode. They don't deserve to be there if they don't want to try.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

What complicates this is that screenshots aren't accepted as evidence. Neither is video. Neither is streaming.

So what's left to prove this is happening? GMs get the reports then tell us they can't give specifics about their internal investigations, yet the same people wintrade for 4 Feast seasons and get away with it, more and more people afk or bot in Frontlines to the point that it's not even subtle anymore, and NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

SE, you broke all my favorite jobs, you've ruined PvP, and I haven't forgotten the 88 pages speaking out against the Feast chat restriction, both before and after it was implemented. I'm truly starting to question why I continue to pay for this disservice.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

For every 1 afker, there's like 5 more that are actually trying to play PvP.
Removing exp will solve the afk problem, but it'll also out PvP right back where it was before SB.

[Avatre]

For every 1 afker, there's like 5 more that are actually trying to play PvP.
Removing exp will solve the afk problem, but it'll also out PvP right back where it was before SB.

Is that a bad thing? Removing the EXP would get people who actually want to win in there rather than people who half-ass it. I have used PVP for EXP twice since SB came out. Didn't win either time, but definitely wasn't a bad showing(1300+ points each time). Yes, there is likely bots/AFK all over the place, and I might have gotten lucky not to have them, but if putting it back to it's original form to get people who actually want to win, then why not do that?