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Thread: Titan-egi

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    Titan-egi

    Titan has never been that great, he can't hold hate off you unless you hold back and if he dies he's never getting hate back and the removal of sustain was just the last nail in his coffin.

    So, I think it's time for some adjustment to Titan and/or the summoner.

    If smn can't heal then there's simply no point in having a tank pet, he could be the best tank in the world and it won't mean squat if he dies. So before adjusting Titan, smn needs adjustment. Make physick scale off INT on smn the same way DoTs scale off MND on sch and add the effect of sustain when used on a pet. This alone would be enough healing to keep Titan, or any pet, alive while also making an utterly useless ability on smn have a purpose.

    Now on to Titan himself. First off, his rock buster should generate more enmity, at current levels I rip hate off of him as soon as I enter dreadwyrm trance, he was fine when we were just a DoT mage, but not anymore.

    Also, his cooldowns are all way too long. 15s for his AoE? 120s for low mitigation?

    His AoE should have a 3s cooldown, it's his equivalent of unleash or overpower, he should be able to spam it. And 120s for a 20% damage reduction? Rampart on actual tanks is only 90s and they have other cooldowns to back it up! This should be 30s at most.

    As for landslide, I don't think Titan really needs this, if we want to stun we have ifrit, what Titan really needs is a provoke. Change the effect of landslide to provoke or ultimatum so if he dies we can resummon him and he can actually take hate back.

    With these changes Titan would actually be able to serve his purpose and the smn would be able to keep him alive to serve his purpose.

    But, assuming SE is adamant about this no pet healing path they've chosen, I simply don't think there's any point in keeping Titan as a tank, in this case, I think Titan should be made the "AoE pet".

    Remove rock buster and replace it with mountain buster as his basic attack, change earthen ward to a 10% damage reduction for the party, make landslide a frontal AoE similar to doom spike on drg and add tumult which will be an AoE attack with an additional effect of draw in to gather mobs up.

    This would make Titan great for dungeon trash pulls and would make up a bit of the loss from the bane nerf at lower levels.
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    Everything yes. Doing overworld content feels less satisfying than it did back when Titan/topaz were useful. If not even fix him as a tank, the AoE pet is fanfreakingtastic. I can't even bring myself to get smn to 70 after maining it since 2.5. It just doesn't feel like a good job anymore And these changes would be at least a small step to making it much better
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    The Egi is useless. It needs to be more relevant. I know some people insist that is great for doing solo stuff ... But how much solo stuff do you actually do? Because the only time I get Titan out is for hunts because I just feel like getting titan out.

    In theory Titan is a waste of space as it is at the moment and the only way to fix it to give it more relevance is to become a dps egi.

    You can't use it for end game raid
    You can't use it in a dungeon
    You can't use it on extreme primals

    I DO wanna use Titan more often but right now and for over the past 4 years it has been useless unless I'm killing mobs around the world areas....

    Make him DPS egi for once and for all.
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    I agree with many of the proposals, but I suspect that most won't see the light of day, at least not in the next several patches and updates.

    I especially agree on the need for Titan-egi to have a provoke ability, especially since summoning demi-Bahamut would now lead to the dismissal of the current egi. There needs to be some way for Titan-egi to regain enmity once he returns to the field, otherwise there's no point in having a tanking pet in the first place.

    I suspect this was one of the main reasons Sustain was removed, because it's true that, in most circumstances, the only time a summoner would even bother to use Sustain is when he's using his tanking pet. But the current implementation of summoner seems set on discouraging the job from "tanking" any more, hence the loss of the spell.

    Overall, the changes to summoner are generally in the right direction. But they also show signs of not being very well thought through.
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    Before the expansion I had used Titan a few times tank a few bosses while waiting for a tank to appear from the queue. Know that isn't a normal use of him, but at least he could hold aggro and I could keep him up. Now though he is so weak that I just use Garuda and burn mobs down.
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    Topaz carbuncle was in fact a viable tank, at least until level 30, when the arcanist class branches into its dedicated damage-dealing and healing paths.

    As things stand, Titan-egi or topaz carby can hold hate from maybe one enemy, just about long enough for the summoner/arcanist to burn it down. If you are unlucky enough to be ganked by more than one enemy, good luck on keeping the pet alive.

    And then there's the problem of FATE bosses. I have fond memories of finishing the third part of the Highbridge FATE series on my own as a summoner or arcanist. That's clearly not going to be possible any more.

    I suppose there's a problem of what kind of "identity" arcanists are meant to have, now that the traditional jack-of-all-trades, the red mages, have entered the fray. It used to be that summoners/arcanists could, in a pinch, straddle the roles of tanking and healing (up to around level 30, at least). It seems the focus now is on making summoners and arcanists pure damage-dealers? If that's the case, more so the reason to re-design Topaz carby and Titan-egi as a different kind of pet, away from tanking.

    In short, the specification for 4.0 smn was just not done very well, with not enough consideration for the consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
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    Aug 27, 2013 - Jun 21, 2017

    Hahaha shoulda been a bucket of chicken nuggets XD
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    Egi's are in a bad state in general. Pet ai and animation delay cause the biggest grief to both smn/sch and I hope that it will be addressed sooner rather than later. The arcanist class is a pet class but as of right now the smn and the pet skills are fighting each other.
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    I don't know much about SMN but I think that giving Titan-egi a provoke might wind up being way too good in raids. How tough is the thing at cap? The idea of a pet soaking a tankbuster or what have you seems like it would have a major impact on raid mechanics.
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