Square, please make dungeons 5 players.

[tgoodner]

While the player base for FFXIV has been somewhat solidified in who enjoys playing as a Tank, Healer or DPS, the issue with DPS queues into content is only exacerbated by the influx of players wanting to leveling Red Mage and Samurai.



This was photo was taken from the offical 2016 Eorzean census showing that over half the players of FFXIV play DPS mains.

My suggestion moving forward, implement dungeons around a 5-player meta; it can be the standard Tank/Healer/Two DPS and a +1. This way all roles are covered, and the queue is constantly pulling the +1 from the player that has been waiting the longest no matter what role they play.

[DamianFatale]

I wouldn't mind 5-8 player dungeons, so long as they aren't all that way.

[Kotemon]

This was photo was taken from the offical 2016 Eorzean census showing that over half the players of FFXIV play DPS mains.
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The problem I have is that 1% of the game population is missing. That pie adds up to 99%, so unless the 1% are to good for any of the 3 jobs. It doesn't look right. The ideal ratio should be 50% DPS, 25% Tank, 25% Healer. That would break down to the exact ratio of a group of 4 people in a dungeon. If they need to add more people to a light party the percentage has to break down evenly. Even then it wouldn't solve the problem of folks not doing PUG in duty finder on certain jobs if there is no motivation to do so.

[dynus]

The problem I have is that 1% of the game population is missing. That pie adds up to 99%, so unless the 1% are too good for any of the 3 jobs. It doesn't look right. The ideal ratio should be 50% DPS, 25% Tank, 25% Healer. That would break down to the exact ratio of a group of 4 people in a dungeon. If they need to add more people to a light party the percentage has to break down evenly. Even then it wouldn't solve the problem of folks not doing PUG in duty finder on certain jobs if there is no motivation to do so.

Pie charts like this hardly ever add up to 100%. What probably happened was they rounded to the nearest whole number, instead of giving a number with a decimal. If everything was split evenly into thirds (33%) you'd still come up with 99% because one-third is actually 33.3333333333333333333 into infinity.

Honestly, I don't think upping the party to five in dungeons is the answer. I think splitting the DPS role is. Instead of being 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 DPS (or 2, 2, 4 in trials and non-alliance raids) it should be 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 melee, and 1 ranged/caster. (and 2, 2, 2, and 2 for trials and the other stuff). I think that would ease up the queue better for 2.x-current content.

[Zojha]

I think splitting the DPS role is.

And how do you think that is going to help the queues? You still have the exact same amount of DPS waiting for a tank/healer. Until these tanks/healers queue up, nothing can move and no groups can be made. You literally only make the situation worse for the more popular kind of DPS, as you halve the amount of slots available to them. The other kind of DPS is still going to wait just as long as now for a healer/tank.

The only solution here is to allow more DPS per tank/healer, because those roles are the bottleneck that prevents groups from being made. Without that bottleneck, queues even for DPS can well be instant, as PotD proves.
Alternately, you gotta make people play more tanks/healers... but good luck with that. Either way, you need to address the bottleneck if you want a better flow.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Square-Enix needs to own up to 2 more DPS was a big mistake.

People are quitting left and right over these queues, they've had enough.

[Sunspawn]

While I agree with the idea, let's look down the line - more DPS in part => party DPS increases by 50% => easier dungeons => dungeons are made harder => tanking (and to a lesser degree healing) becomes harder and requires more competence (since I doubt tanks would get buffed) => even less people would want to play tanks (and healers) => longer queues for DPS.

Just increasing the number of DPS is not the solution.

[Maku]

Square-Enix needs to own up to 2 more DPS was a big mistake.

People are quitting left and right over these queues, they've had enough.

Good. It will make everyone else ques better.

[ManuelBravo]

Square-Enix needs to own up to 2 more DPS was a big mistake.

People are quitting left and right over these queues, they've had enough.

If people don't have patience is one thing, however blaming SE for people not being creative is just a joke. There are ways to compensate for the queues here are some ideas that I've implemented.

IF your in a FC, hello I'm sure they would be able to help...I don't know maybe a tank healer rotation? ( Common sense unless players are anti social and want to play solo. )

Create a group, ask your friends? ( hopefully people have made friends over the years that still play if not go out there and start making some contacts. )

Hire a mercenary ( yes people do ask for compensation or are willing to be a Mercenary )

Do something else while you wait. SQ ect ( Tired of seeing peoples gear breaking...the minimum they could do is raise some DoH to repair gear in Dungeons )

Play a handheld or other game, I still play FFXI while I wait and normally get in within 30 min so it's a nice way to pass the time.

Other wiser people should really realize that they are NOT special, no one takes priority we all pay our fees.

Now then for the 5 dungeon idea, Would be nice if content was bit harder. I love how they made new dungeons to test people mechanic wise and hopefully people learn from it. So far Diadem would be the closest thing to it at this point, being can go in with min of 2 or turn it into a raid. That is of course if FC allows their members airship access ..... Yet from what I've experienced in FC most restrict their members use unless they are part of the founding team or close friends with FC leader. Sad but true.

[Shurrikhan]

Square-Enix needs to own up to 2 more DPS was a big mistake.

People are quitting left and right over these queues, they've had enough.

If it's any consolation, even as a tank, spamming PotD is better experience than spamming instant-queue dungeons with a less than optimal group.