The surge thread

[Rokien]

What surges would you guys like to see next?

[Krausus]

Haste Surge!
Mana Surge!

[Mattia]

Haste Surge!

This so much -_-

[Zeref]

I just wish there was max TP+ gear because 3000 is just... from level one.

[Rokien]

That would be kinda cool

[Zahak]

I must say I too dislike the length of our surges. It does feel like a hassle having to stack them.

[Rogue]

for high ranking end game mobs the surges are less than useless..

The extra combo every 1-2 mintues you get by having an extra 1k TP from NOT using power surge actually does more damage than keeping power surge stacked,

and that extra combo also builds more TP.

and you dont have any hassle

so i dont use surges

I guess you could use invigorate and get 3x before the fight starts to buff your initial combo, but imo that being pretty anal.

[GreyJorildyn]

I think the "idea" for how the surges are currently implemented is decent, but it does become a hassle when you incorporate all the things Lancer can currently do.

Let me present my argument in the framework of the default UI setup. For those unfamiliar, buffs are top-center, action/TP bars bottom-center. The user log is positioned in the lower-left of the screen. It is also worth noting, albeit obvious, that mobs are dead center on the screen. Other relevant information: Surge lasts 60s, recast is 30s, requires 500 TP (getting messier already, eh?). So here I go.

Firstly, you have to keep an eye on your TP generated (bottom-center) and the recast timer is either on your main bar (visible) or somewhere you have to scroll to (or a macro for those who utilize them and have a /recast line -- now you have to look at your log too!).

You've accumulated enough TP to use a surge and you pop it (eyes are at lower bottom of screen). Now you're whacking the mob and going to use weapon skills. You check your positioning to the mob (eyes on center of screen), and setup your positions as you go through the combo (eyes still on center of screen). Now, just like checking your mirrors in a car, your eyes must dart up to the top of the screen to check the timer on the surge, then back down to the bottom to check TP to see if you can use surge again. Ah, but you need check the recast on the surge too, so eyes go up a little farther (or you smack your macro to see the recast in log -- eyes dart to lower-left log position).

So your eyes essentially do this:
Look down
Look up a bit (macro: lower-left instead)
Look center
Move into position of mob (gotta track the mob spinning!)
Look up
Look down
Look up a bit (macro: lower-left instead)
(at this point, there should be a warning when you equip a polearm that playing this class may induce seizures.)

Keep in mind that the game is supposed to be designed around the default UI being the "best fit" position for all classes. Lancers have the most complicated combos currently, plus the need to maintain a buff they can use every 30s to refresh a buff that lasts 60s. Let's not even mentioned that there is no sustained visible cue that denotes the power of your surge on-screen; that information is only delivered to you upon using the surge. On top of that, invigorate cooldown needs to be maintained, as do all the usual attack buffs for weapon skills. The way surges are currently implement within the current UI make them very difficult to keep track of. Even as someone who considers himself a skilled player and solos 99% of the time in game on various classes, I find Lancer to be a real hassle.

I've even tried to compact the UI into a small space so I can play Lancer "more effectively", but then everything looks all cluttered. It's problems like this that created plugins for the client in XI, and is going to encourage people to do the same when the 2.0 client hits, unless of course they do something about the currently awful way to track buffs/debuffs while performing all your typical job duties, be it in a party or solo.

Right now I feel Lancer is one of the more powerful classes, but it suffers from an overly complicated (or perhaps higher learning curve) than most of the other (DPS) classes. Sure you could make this buff last longer, but the reality of it is they are trying to make gameplay revolve in a 3-5 minute cycle to give the illusion of quickened game pace, and you see that pretty much across the board with the interaction between recast timers, mp costs, mp regen, buff duration and other battle elements. It does not enhance gameplay to do this. I felt the surges were find as they were previously implemented, which was in more of a "stance" typology. I'd like to see that come back honestly, but jobs are gonna be the end all soon and so this may all fall by the wayside in the re-envisioning of the game.

[Rufus_Zelbringer]

I think the "idea" for how the surges are currently implemented is decent, but it does become a hassle when you incorporate all the things Lancer can currently do.

Let me present my argument in the framework of the default UI setup. For those unfamiliar, buffs are top-center, action/TP bars bottom-center. The user log is positioned in the lower-left of the screen. It is also worth noting, albeit obvious, that mobs are dead center on the screen. Other relevant information: Surge lasts 60s, recast is 30s, requires 500 TP (getting messier already, eh?). So here I go.

Firstly, you have to keep an eye on your TP generated (bottom-center) and the recast timer is either on your main bar (visible) or somewhere you have to scroll to (or a macro for those who utilize them and have a /recast line -- now you have to look at your log too!).

You've accumulated enough TP to use a surge and you pop it (eyes are at lower bottom of screen). Now you're whacking the mob and going to use weapon skills. You check your positioning to the mob (eyes on center of screen), and setup your positions as you go through the combo (eyes still on center of screen). Now, just like checking your mirrors in a car, your eyes must dart up to the top of the screen to check the timer on the surge, then back down to the bottom to check TP to see if you can use surge again. Ah, but you need check the recast on the surge too, so eyes go up a little farther (or you smack your macro to see the recast in log -- eyes dart to lower-left log position).

So your eyes essentially do this:
Look down
Look up a bit (macro: lower-left instead)
Look center
Move into position of mob (gotta track the mob spinning!)
Look up
Look down
Look up a bit (macro: lower-left instead)
(at this point, there should be a warning when you equip a polearm that playing this class may induce seizures.)

Keep in mind that the game is supposed to be designed around the default UI being the "best fit" position for all classes. Lancers have the most complicated combos currently, plus the need to maintain a buff they can use every 30s to refresh a buff that lasts 60s. Let's not even mentioned that there is no sustained visible cue that denotes the power of your surge on-screen; that information is only delivered to you upon using the surge. On top of that, invigorate cooldown needs to be maintained, as do all the usual attack buffs for weapon skills. The way surges are currently implement within the current UI make them very difficult to keep track of. Even as someone who considers himself a skilled player and solos 99% of the time in game on various classes, I find Lancer to be a real hassle.

I've even tried to compact the UI into a small space so I can play Lancer "more effectively", but then everything looks all cluttered. It's problems like this that created plugins for the client in XI, and is going to encourage people to do the same when the 2.0 client hits, unless of course they do something about the currently awful way to track buffs/debuffs while performing all your typical job duties, be it in a party or solo.

Right now I feel Lancer is one of the more powerful classes, but it suffers from an overly complicated (or perhaps higher learning curve) than most of the other (DPS) classes. Sure you could make this buff last longer, but the reality of it is they are trying to make gameplay revolve in a 3-5 minute cycle to give the illusion of quickened game pace, and you see that pretty much across the board with the interaction between recast timers, mp costs, mp regen, buff duration and other battle elements. It does not enhance gameplay to do this. I felt the surges were find as they were previously implemented, which was in more of a "stance" typology. I'd like to see that come back honestly, but jobs are gonna be the end all soon and so this may all fall by the wayside in the re-envisioning of the game.

This is all fine and true, but it can simply be overcome with the use of macros. Macroing your surges makes using them so much easier. Add to that you can add a /recast to the macro, which makes monitoring and maintaining your surges that much easier.

/ac "Power Surge" <me>
/wait 30
/recast "Power Surge"

Or if you want to get really lazy you can:

/ac "Power Surge" <me>
/wait 30
/ac "Power Surge"<me>
/wait 30
/ac "Power Surge" <me>
/wait 30
/recast "Power Surge"
/

Now you only have to hit 1 button every 1 1/2 minutes