the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[SendohJin]

Do you even Susan EX?

23 tokens and counting. have i ever solo healed it from beginning to end on SCH? no.

Susano AOE is easily recoverable with precast Succor, Largesse + Emergency Tactics Succor + Indom. if you need Eos on top of that your other healer is really bad. and like i said if i know the party isn't any good i would use Eos.

double SCH healed it for like 5 runs too. the other SCH did use Eos.

[QooEr]

If you're wasting all the time and potential mana from dissipation just to re-summon the fairy, why are you killing the fairy in the first place?

you still gain something from it. and im not one to usually be killing my fairy anyways

You do realize that both can be used at the same time? Or that one might be on CD and you still need the mitigation? Or that Fey Covenant only buffs magic defense so is useless against some forms of damage?

why would you though. give me One fight where both are needed at the same time. give me One fight where there's PHYSICAL raid-wide aoe damage.

[Aerowaffle]

you still gain something from it. and im not one to usually be killing my fairy anyways

In situations where you can afford to kill your fairy and spend the additional time to ED and quickcast it back alive, you didn't need the buff anyways.

why would you though. give me One fight where both are needed at the same time. give me One fight where there's PHYSICAL raid-wide aoe damage.

For more mitigation? This argument of why would you "need" the mitigation is foolish. Technically you don't "need" any mitigation at all. But more mitigation makes AOE more safe to handle. And I believe the Susano EX sword phase has physical damage on it, correct me if I'm wrong.

[QooEr]

In situations where you can afford to kill your fairy and spend the additional time to ED and quickcast it back alive, you didn't need the buff anyways.

deeps bro. you can also use it during downtime like ultimates for 3 free aetherflow stacks

For more mitigation? This argument of why would you "need" the mitigation is foolish. Technically you don't "need" any mitigation at all. But more mitigation makes AOE more safe to handle.

mitigation overkill eats away all your aetherflow stacks so maybe thats why ppl are having mp problems. its literally almost as bad as overhealing
i say use fey covenant because its both completely free of cost and it also helps you save one succor or indom cast, further reducing your mp usage
scholars need to start using their whole toolkit intelligently more or should stop complaining about mp, because they have by far the best mp recovery than any other healer

and no, susanos sword phase is not physical aoe damage

[Aerowaffle]

because they have by far the best mp recovery than any other healer

There's a different post pointing out where you were wrong about that;

Your list is so incomplete it almost screams SCH bias.

• What about WHM's Thin Air? That's 0 MP cost for 12 seconds. If you had to do PoM + Medica I spam you save about 10k MP. And if you had to, you could spam 6 Cure III to save nearly 14k MP.

• AST has Lightspeed which reduces MP cost by 25% for 10 seconds while reducing cast times by 2.5 seconds. If you had to spam 4 Helios then you saved 1440 MP.

• AST can also draw Ewer, which is a base 50 potency refresh for 5 ticks. Extending or Enhancing it can increase this MP regen further.

• With the AST stuff in mind, they can do Extended Ewer + LD + Lightspeed + CO if MP issues are that severe.

Those 3-6 energy Drains used at the start of a pull are usually used for DPS, not MP, so they shouldn't be counted as so unless you can somehow spend enough MP in the first 60 seconds to get the full MP benefit of SIX Energy Drains. Spoiler Alert! Most likely not.

Others have commented on the relative MP cost of an AF stack when not used for Energy Drain so I won't go into that.
EDIT #1: Also forgot that AST has a cheaper toolkit as a whole compared to WHM and SCH, indirectly giving them better MP regen.

[QooEr]

There's a different post pointing out where you were wrong about that;

when do you ever medica spam. i really can only think of the most heal intensive savage fights and probably nidhogg ex
lightspeed which is rarely ever used in a decent farm party because it reduces dps
ewer which is usually burned to give aoe rr effect


yes the other ones are Potentially better, but sch is more consistent

[Mikhaill]

u know whats funny i tend to forget to use thin air on whm and im fine because i dont spam medica like a fool

3 ED's from dissipation give more than enough mp to compensate resummining your fairy

sacred soil IS NOT NEEDED EVER. use fey covenant if youre so desperate for mitigation

My response to the Medica and SS never being needed.

Saw this response few hours ago at work, had no words.
Hours later, still don't. So here's a pic.

[QooEr]

My response to the Medica and SS never being needed.

Saw this response few hours ago at work, had no words.
Hours later, still don't. So here's a pic.

im talking about playing with good groups here. healers aren't carry machines. even in pre echo a12s and a11s i rarely ever needed to spam aoe healing except that one time i was solo healing a12s (unless you count doing 2 or 3 casts "spam")

[Aerowaffle]

im talking about playing with good groups here. healers aren't carry machines. even in pre echo a12s and a11s i rarely ever needed to spam aoe healing except that one time i was solo healing a12s (unless you count doing 2 or 3 casts "spam")

All groups are not bastions of excellence either. We're not claiming that SCH should be able to carry groups of players that fail every mechanic, we're talking about the relative power of SCH compared to other healing roles. And more specifically, the mana efficiency to HPS of SCH compared to those other roles.

[Rawrz]

Dissipation, in its current carnation isn't a MP regen tool, it's an MP pawn shop. You sacrifice your fairy AND kill off your ability to resummon her. Up front you get a decent deal. A free energy worth of mp at least! But now Eos/selene is dead. How are you going to compensate for her embrace? That's 1670+ real healer potency you're losing.

You either:

1) Have to spend more gcds healing, burning all the mana you gained in 1-2 gcds

OR

2) You borrow from your coheal, making them heal the difference!

In fights with long animations downtimes, dissipation is ok. It unfortunately, is 1000x more restrictive than ast/whm skills of a "similar" design. Plus it either costs you a hard cast or a swiftcast to get Eos/Selene back.

When it was bugged, dissipation worked well for an ideal fairy swap mechanic. I feel they should adjust that into the game.

Dissipation: Orders your pet away while granting you a full Aetherflow stack.
Also grants a buff that increases healing magic potency by 20%. Your next Summon or Summon II is instant cast. Buff ends after 30 seconds or when your next Summon or Summon II is cast. Aetherflow spent while in dissipation will fill fairy gauge at a rate of 20 instead of 10. Using aetherflow outside of a fairy summoned or dissipation will have no effect on the gauge..