the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[VanilleFang]

So is everyone forgetting that Free Cure exists?

Thin Air itself pushes WHM way ahead of both the other healers regardless of what else they have.

[Ametrine]

WHM did have to be more careful spending MP, but it was also spending MP on the beefiest heals. You got your money's worth. Right now, Scholar is spending more MP for the least effective heals. That ain't right.

Nailed it.

A large part of why SCH rarely dealt with MP issues was attributed to so many of our skills being directly tied to Aetherflow stacks. We were using as much mana as we were recharging as our big heals used 0. Couple that with Eos being a permanent and powerful off-healer, and you have an overly powerful job.

So SE nerfed everything, but did too much.

Side effects include taking Largesse over Eye for an Eye to cover potency loss, thus making Deployment Tactics wasted space, and furthering the uselessness of Selene, as Eos's heal potency up and regen AoEs grossly outclass Selene's pittly haste and esuna AoEs.

[Blood-Aki]

Fairy is barely noticable now, she didn't even need a potency nerf, and once again square has forgotten the HP increase of players from going to 60-70, much like the mistake of stoneskin nerf, ignoring the damage output of enemies. she does not make up for it. if anything she just replaces a weak regen.

[SendohJin]

Side effects include taking Largesse over Eye for an Eye to cover potency loss, thus making Deployment Tactics wasted space, and furthering the uselessness of Selene, as Eos's heal potency up and regen AoEs grossly outclass Selene's pittly haste and esuna AoEs.

Deployment Tactics was never about spreading E4E. i only use Eos for learning or when i know the party isn't any good. Selene isn't great but currently you don't really need Eos for anything.

[Charisma]

Aetherflow + Lucid Dreaming (you didn't have this before) + Energy Drain x3 + Dissipation -> Energy Drain x3, or instead of Energy Draining using those stacks for heals instead of using Adlo, using Rouse to give your MP a break.

I'm not telling you not to complain, but I'm hoping that a few more people can actually see how much MP Scholars actually have.

Might as well say, stand around doing nothing = Unlimited Mana.

In reality?

You could not do Energy Drain once, because the fight is actually hard? -> Lose a lot of mana.

Dissipation for Mana Reg.. did you actually play Scholar once? You have to pay 2.400 mana to get the fairy back, which is 2 Energy Drains already lol... and also you have to waste 60 seconds of swiftcast, this is a terrible way to reg mana.

So if based on your logic, we have to gimp ourselves, to use the mp "we actually have", then gg...

I'm not even from the complaining camp, i did not have any problems with mana management in any content available right now, i even enjoy the raise in "difficulty" to heal as a scholar, but your comment does not make any sense at all.

[Ametrine]

Deployment Tactics was never about spreading E4E. i only use Eos for learning or when i know the party isn't any good. Selene isn't great but currently you don't really need Eos for anything.

I must just be a bad then as Whispering Dawn is still a heavily relied upon part of my kit.

I think if Selene's haste could increase to the 5% buff that an AoE Arrow card has, and keep it's larger 20y range, I might feel comfortable swapping back to maining Selene. With our access to Esuna at low levels, now, Selene's niche shrank even further.


But, most Scholars using Selene don't really USE Selene. If you actively work to keep her haste going for as much uptime as possible, and can accurately get her silence to hit, Selene could be very useful.

It's just hard to be a healer without the healer focused pet most of the time.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Energy drain only.

I wanna throw my book at you so hard you see chocobo chicks circling your head.

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

Sure Energy Drain is a legit way to get my MP back, but to have to blast all 3 stacks on energy drain, and kill my fairy as well? You know how dumb that sounds? Like wtf bruh do you even SCH?

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Let's just use extreme cases of idiots dying left right center. And that all 3 healers have their buffs up.

WHM - Thin Air + Presence of Mind > Raise or Thin Air + Swift Cast Raise = 0 MP used

AST - Lightspeed > Ascend = Less 25% of MP used.

SCH - Hello MP, it was nice knowing you.

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Not to mention, my Rosa's Chocobo Cure (300 Potency) heals more than Eos/Selene's Embrace (250 Potency). SERIOUSLY SE?! SERIOUSLY????!!!!

Here are the changes I would like to see:
1) Embrace potency back to 300.
2) Aetherflow back to 20% MP recovered OR Increase the 20% chance of Quickened Aetherflow to 100% but cut the 10s reduction to 5-7s.
3) Fey Union stops draining the gauge when the target is out of range.
4) Excogitation automatically heals when the 30s timer goes off.

[RyuDragnier]

Selene isn't great but currently you don't really need Eos for anything.

Do you even Susan EX?

[Enla]

I must just be a bad then as Whispering Dawn is still a heavily relied upon part of my kit.

I think if Selene's haste could increase to the 5% buff that an AoE Arrow card has, and keep it's larger 20y range, I might feel comfortable swapping back to maining Selene. With our access to Esuna at low levels, now, Selene's niche shrank even further.


But, most Scholars using Selene don't really USE Selene. If you actively work to keep her haste going for as much uptime as possible, and can accurately get her silence to hit, Selene could be very useful.

It's just hard to be a healer without the healer focused pet most of the time.

It'll get easier as the patch cycle continues, it always does. However I definitely feel now more than ever that Selene is in bad need of some pretty critical buffs. Fey Wind needs to be increased to 5% like you stated and more over Silent Dusk needs to be completely gutted and turned into something useful. How many enemies are there in end game content that can actually be silenced? Almost none and when leveling, the one time it's guaranteed, you're more likely to use Eos simply to free up your hands to DPS. It needs to be another buff, an aoe heal, or something entirely different as right now it's utterly useless on top of a meta that sees Fey Caress likewise all but useless in raids. I've counted ONE debuff I need to instantly remove from the party in all the current raids, and that's Exdeath's single Doom cast. Beyond that it's a wasted skill as most of the debuffs cannot be removed like Susano's paralyze.

[Lildragora]

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Im a fan of turning it into a weakened version of the original virus, or a heavier version of Miasma II since it would be a DoT on a 40s cd. More importantly though, why were the fairy abilities not linked to the fairy thats out like others for the button bloat update...