the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Tint]

Your list is so incomplete it almost screams SCH bias.

if you really want a complete list you should include the fairy - she is maybe not that strong, but heals for 0 mp cost.

[magnanimousCynic]

if youreally want a complete list you should include the fairy - she is maybe not that strong, but heals for 0 mp cost.

If we're going to count the fairies as "MP recovery", which was the list that I replied to, then I should then add

• WHMs Benediction/Tetragrammaton/Asylum.

• ASTs Essential Dignity/Collective Unconscious/Earthly Star, and probably Lady of Crowns.

• SCHs Rouse/Aetherpact/Fey Union.

Because all of those abilities have 0 MP cost and do some kind of healing.

[Tint]

If we're going to count the fairies as "MP recovery", which was the list that I replied to, then I should then add

• WHMs Benediction/Tetragrammaton/Asylum.

• ASTs Essential Dignity/Collective Unconscious/Earthly Star, and probably Lady of Crowns.

• SCHs Rouse/Aetherpact/Fey Union.

Because all of those abilities have 0 MP cost and do some kind of healing.

yes. either the full kit, or nothing, or just the mp recovery...
but you were counting Thin Air and the MP reduction from Lightspeed as "MP recovery" tools. but if you do that, you have to count the free healing the fairy offers too.

[Jijifli]

yes. either the full kit, or nothing, or just the mp recovery...
but you were counting Thin Air and the MP reduction from Lightspeed as "MP recovery" tools. but if you do that, you have to count the free healing the fairy offers too.

Just mentioning. If you're going at him over Thin Air and Lightspeed, then we got a bit of a situation here.

With Thin air, I get free 650 potency spells. With Lightspeed, I can cheaper, instant 650 potency spells. With fairy, I get a 250 potency spell that doesn't even scale off of mind (Unless I missed a patch.)

[Tint]

actually they buffed cure 2, so it's 700 potency spells for free. thin air lasts 12 seconds and has a 2 mins cooldown. so it's 3500 potency free heals, 4200 with presence of mind. the fairy has a 100% uptime, 250 potency with a 3 second recast. so 5000 potency every mintute of free healing. even if it doesn't scale with mind, that's a lot free healing.
since thin air has a 2 mins cooldown i'll cut the numbers in half:
1750 potency (2100 potency with presence of mind, wich doesn't work well with the cooldown, but however) free cure 2 every mintute
compared to
5000 potency free embrace from your fairy every minute

of course thin air is still better, since you can use it better for burst phases. but the fairy has an 480 potency HoT for burst phases, wich is "free", okay, it uses the fae aether, but what else do you have to spend it on?

i simply can't see the issue. SCH had nearly unlimited mana for years and WHM was suffering from mana problems. now it's the other way around and suddenly it is a problem?

Cure 2 has 700 potency, but cost twice the amount compared to Physick + Embrace, wich have together a 750 potency.

[Mirili]

the fairy has a 100% uptime, 250 potency with a 3 second recast.

I wish SE would put more accurate tooltip information on pet abilities. Embrace isn't even really 250 potency. I don't think it was even an effective 250 potency in HW, despite it reading as 300.

It's even lower now. It's kind of a joke. You can list it as free healing, sure, but it's not fantastic.

WHM did have to be more careful spending MP, but it was also spending MP on the beefiest heals. You got your money's worth. Right now, Scholar is spending more MP for the least effective heals. That ain't right.