the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Elleia]

The issue is SCH never needed a Lucid Dream ability. Aetherflow was its MP regain ability. and it was perfect. Now, I recover MP that is tiny compared to the cost of my spells....I don't want to waste a spot in role actions for Lucid Dream when say I could have my old class action of Eye for an Eye.

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

[Lildragora]

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

or if anything they could have increased the refresh potency. Instead of generate a problem where there was none.

[Kazrah]

I would argue the biggest issue for SCH now is that it's starting to suffer the same issue that WHM did in 3.x: lost identity. Its healing specialty of damage absorption is currently dwarfed by how much more effectively AST can use it with Nocturnal Sect.

Oh, and let's not forget that AST tops it in terms of raid support as well since no amount of damage a SCH can deal will ever top how many times an AST could use an AoE Balance in one fight.

[alimdia]

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But physick isn't higher mana cost, like I mentioned 2 physick = 800 potency for 1200 MP, 1 lustrate is 600 potency for 1200 MP.

If you want to say they destroyed SCH identity by making physick the most attractive and unexpensive heal on a healer that is supposed to be shield based, then fully agreed, the cost of adlo should be lowered, but using aetherflow heals should be restricted to when you NEED to if there's risk of running out of MP, or whenever you want to if there's no OOM risk.

If aetherflow is off cd and you still have stacks, spend them on ED and put it on cd, keep aetherflow always on cd. The only times I've been OOM is when I die and LD is on cooldown.

[Selova]

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I play scholar just fine, thank you very much.
If you are that terrible at managing your mana that you have to waste AF stacks on ED, I think you have bigger problems that need addressing.

[RyuDragnier]

You shouldn't have MP issues... Learn to use Lucid Dreaming like every other caster.

Tell that to Susan EX. Even with LD you run out of MP so fast due to how many times you have to AoE heal in that fight. Succor is 2280MP per cast, Resurrection is 3600MP, my max MP is 18132. If anybody goes down and I have to rez, right before an Ukehi, I'm using around 8160 MP and 2 Aetherflow stacks. That's almost half my MP right there, because doing Swiftcast + Resurrection, throwing down Sacred Soil followed by a Succor before the Ukehi, and Succor in the middle of the Ukehi+Indom immediately after the succor goes out. This is of course assuming the free Succor proc from Sacred Soil does not occur.

If I pop Aetherflow right there, I'm only getting 1813MP back, not enough to cover any single spell cast here. I pop Lucid Dreaming, but then IT HAPPENS AGAIN. I'm seriously low on MP at this point, and am basically screwed if anything else goes wrong. And before you say the other healer should do it, imagine they're the one going down. The insane MP costs on Succor and Adlo combined with the Aetherflow usage make the fight a serious pain on any SCH. Reverting the Aetherflow MP heal to HW levels brings the MP heal to 3626, enough to cover the Resurrection and give me some breathing room, if only for a little while. Hell, I'd go for reducing the recast timer on Indom to 1s to put it on line with Lustrate and eliminate the Succor spam period, or even a 4th aetherflow stack.

[QooEr]

maybe you should learn how to heal. youre overhealing way too much. i BARELY heal in susano and nobody dies. literally one succor or one indom before and after ukehi + whispering dawn is enough. no need to waste your aetherflow stacks on sacred soil which is never needed ever. you can also do a deployment tactics before ukehi and everyone is fine.

with lucid dreaming sch actually has the best mp recovery.
WHM: Lucid Dreaming + assize (10% mp every minute)
AST: Lucid Dreaming + 3 ticks of lucid dreaming (less than 10% every TWO minutes)
SCH: Lucid Dreaming + aetherflow (10% mp every minute) + 3 energy drains every minute + 3 energy drains at the beginning of the fight from prepull aetherflow + dissipation in case of emergency

im really confused as what content youre all doing because the only times anyone needs to aoe heal spam has been akh morns (which have been solo healed by a scholar), photon > whirlwind (the one in tower phase, the one in the first phase scholars actually solo healed that part in speedruns, with just a preemptive succor, an indom and an emergency succor) in a11s and j waves in a8s. if y'all learned to waste less of your mp in useless heals you wouldnt have these problems.

and if people are dying, its really not scholar's fault, its the group's fault. healers arent designed around carrying bad pf groups

[KisaiTenshi]

But physick isn't higher mana cost, like I mentioned 2 physick = 800 potency for 1200 MP, 1 lustrate is 600 potency for 1200 MP.

If you want to say they destroyed SCH identity by making physick the most attractive and unexpensive heal on a healer that is supposed to be shield based, then fully agreed, the cost of adlo should be lowered, but using aetherflow heals should be restricted to when you NEED to if there's risk of running out of MP, or whenever you want to if there's no OOM risk.

If aetherflow is off cd and you still have stacks, spend them on ED and put it on cd, keep aetherflow always on cd. The only times I've been OOM is when I die and LD is on cooldown.

Galvanize is also no longer overwritten, so you actually waste adloqium/succor if the shield has not fallen off. Likewise with AST's Nocturnal Sect shields. So in a sense they made it so that people need to stop spamming things just because they're there and use them more strategically.

[Jijifli]

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

I thought Square wanted Role actions to all be optional based on the fight you're doing.

So if Lucid Dreaming is a requirement to not starve in content period, then it failed.

[alimdia]

I thought Square wanted Role actions to all be optional based on the fight you're doing.

So if Lucid Dreaming is a requirement to not starve in content period, then it failed.

Healers got the short end of the stick with role actions, like half of them aren't really optional if you consider runs won't always go perfect.