the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Lildragora]

Energy Drain does give mana back. But it's almost universally better to use that aetherflow for one of your free heals. If you use it for energy drain then you have to drain that mana (and then some) on expensive heals because you're now playing catch-up, you're not only down net mana gain but also down on HPS.

It looks like most people dont realize how valuable AF really is..

Granted if you have a great co-healer and your on that DPS rotation throw in an energy drain for extra DPS or if you know it can safely be done. Generally though you want the AF for heals. It's just like how people overestimated the fairy because of one method of use. It really irks me off when I have to put in more work than before for less impact.. I already considered myself a good sch but really the only thing this job brought before was sustained DPS and mitigation. Now it doesn't bring either except single target dps which can no longer be as sustained (not sure on exact numbers but I did 1300 in Lakshmi ex which felt good). Pretty sure WHM could do better now.

It's like, what is a scholar supposed to bring? Its a shield healer based on a dps class. If that doesn't say dps and mitigation I dont know what does. I honestly don't believe anyone at SE plays a healer or understands them. They should have given WHM raid utility, not more heals (Benison was a good start). They should have given SCH some more shields, more AF opportunities, shield/heal potency increases or more aoe heal options. AST I think would have been fine without the old ability buffs as it was already close to if not best healer all around if anything some better dps options along with the new abilities. I just dont understand it.

SE: All healers are viable so lets base content on that so even a x2 SCH can clear ( technically speaking the weakest HPS throughput )
SE: *Gives WHM more healing abilities* There that solves WHM, now lets bring SCH down, great now we can make content everyone can heal!

All the healing in the world does no good if its overhealing.

I dont think all fights should be doable with any healer/tank comp. I feel it should be diverse to showcase all the jobs in different light. While I understand thats not feasible because "now I have to level this job..." it would be nice to see a fight where you need that HPS throughput otherwise its over and likewise where you would need that mitigation or it would be over. Same things with the tanks, make a fight where the healers are unable to heal tanks during certain parts so sustain becomes important, or make a fight where reduction would be the way to go. Thats just my opinion but would like the dynamic approach more.

[Freyt]

So wait.

You want me to Energy drain 3 times to make up for the Aetherflow gut?

Also, you want me to dissipation? And then use Energy drain 3 times? So I can waste the extra mana and a swiftcast to get the nerf'd fairy back?

Everyone has full health, you're at half MP, Aetherflow is off cooldown...... you won't use Energy Drain because oh man you MIGHT need Lustrate for some reason.

No, you're using Aetherflow wrong. If Aetherflow is off cooldown, then you use up your stacks and you put it back on cooldown.

[LalaRu]

Will not understand, when healing was a joke, everyone complaining it was a joke and they will dps because won't want die out of boredom, and now that healing is a joke no more, everyone complaining healing requiring effort. I welcome healing finally a thing for pro healers, and no more an alternative for bored dps players.

[Iveriad]

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

It is. And I do use Aetherflow for Energy drain whenever I have leftover stacks. As in, no one is dying, and/or the boss is not in WTF AoE spam phase, and my Aetherflow is not in cooldown. In which case I just use all my remaining stacks for Energy Drain and refresh the stack. And keep on doing what I was doing before.

But trying to prove a point by being hyperbolic, using all three Aetherflow stacks on three Energy Drain beats the point of having Aetherflow stacks. And using Dissipation to get another three Energy Drain on top of that.... That's just bad.
Since Aetherflow stacks should be saved for emergency especially if it's on cooldown, not wasted on a back to back six Energy Drains.

[Iveriad]

Everyone has full health, you're at half MP, Aetherflow is off cooldown...... you won't use Energy Drain because oh man you MIGHT need Lustrate for some reason.

No, you're using Aetherflow wrong. If Aetherflow is off cooldown, then you use up your stacks and you put it back on cooldown.

^Now this is a much better explanation. I agree with this.

Now when I'm playing scholar, I used Lucid Dreaming at half MP, and Energy Drain (or Indomitability to top off the party because I like watching everyone at full health) when Aetherflow is off cooldown.

[Aerowaffle]

Make use of your fairy skills, if aoe dmg went out but no more aoes are coming anytime soon use rouse + whispering dawn or fey illumination + whispering dawn instead of indomitability.


If we put the value of 1 aetherflow stack at 1200 MP (what ED restores), you're paying 1200 MP for 600 heal potency every time you lustrate, but two physicks are 800 heal potency for the same cost. In 8 man content let your cohealer's regen (if any) do their job instead of overhealing.

I'm oversimplifying the scenarios but the point is, play it smart with your AF stacks, most people I've met in DF waste their stacks panic-healing. If you check the top scholars in DPS rankings you will see a quite liberal usage of energy drain.

So I would say that no, it's not "almost universally better" to thoughtlessly burn your instant heals that cost 1200 MP in the same thread where people are complaining about lacks of way to recover MP. If you have to use them to keep people alive, do it, but if there's no emergency don't burn your AF stacks on nothing.

But I'm arguing about the effective use of the AF to alleviate a low mana situation, not what you can do to avoid the problem of low mana in the first place. The Fairy can't instant heal and while in a perfect world everyone can wait around and get healed back up to max in an efficient manner with physicks, in the content where we're concerned about our mana it's not the case. You need to move around, you need to make sure someone is topped off in case someone else fails a mechanic and it hits the rest of the group, it's a burst healer check and you need to burn through healing to keep everyone up. All of those situations are not moments where a healer has the luxury of letting the slow, small heals roll in.

When I'm low on mana and I've got AF stacks, I'm not concerned about DPS, I'm concerned about making sure everyone is staying alive. If I use what little possible healing I have at that time on a energy drain and someone dies because I DPS'ed instead of healed, it's completely my fault.
If I'm not facing a mana problem and I need to AF to be on cooldown; I throw a Excogitation on a tank that's expected to use it and use Lustrate where it's useful real quick.

[Iveriad]

When I'm low on mana and I've got AF stacks, I'm not concerned about DPS, I'm concerned about making sure everyone is staying alive. If I use what little possible healing I have at that time on a energy drain and someone dies because I DPS'ed instead of healed, it's completely my fault.

Well, using AF stacks on free heals like Lustrate, Excogitation, and Indomitability could be considered as saving MP as well.
So I'd say that it's not wrong to use them instead of Energy Drain, as long as it won't result in overhealing.

[Aerowaffle]

Well, using AF stacks on free heals like Lustrate, Excogitation, and Indomitability could be considered as saving MP as well.
So I'd say that it's not wrong to use them instead of Energy Drain, as long as it won't result in overhealing.

That is kinda my point. These SCH that have the space to use energy drain are able to have that space thanks to their teammates. Our job as healers gets harder the less competent your teammates are. Compared to the two other roles, we have many more opportunities to spend our resources to fix other people's mistakes.

So if your team was causing enough problems that you are now low on mana, chances are you also need to spend your AF on efficiency + instant healing instead of efficiency + dmg.

[NorthernLadMSP]

After getting used to how SCH plays in SB, I rarely run low on MP. Proper use of LD and energy drain allows me to use Adlo whenever I need to. Honestly, the only situation where SCH is completely gutted at the moment is in dungeons. SCH has issues, but MP management is not one of them.

Exactly. I have to assume that people having MP issues are either a) bad players b) get stuck in awful DF groups c) don't use Lucid Dreaming correctly or d) a combination of the above

[Vilenya]

I really hate the idea of people throwing out atherflow and fairy heals as “free” heals. They are anything but “free”. We pay for these heals with completely gimped physics, aldo, and succor. The atherflow heals must be used to augment these other heals in order to perform our job. Saving atherflows for energy drain isn’t always an option, so relying on it for regular mana management is kind of fool hardy. Don’t get me wrong, it has its time and place and it definitely helps, but saying to just use ED if you need mana doesn’t help. There are mana issues with the class, not really as much at 70 with better gear (unless you have a bad group requiring a lot of aoe heals), but definitely during the 60 – 70 leveling stages. It’s not our biggest issue but it needs to be fixed to at least make the class more accessible to newer players. Is the class playable, yes, but it is not anywhere close to on par with the other two healers. No one is asking for faceroll easy, but people want to get the healing, support, mana, and dps issues fixed so that they are at least competing on the same level as the other two healers.