the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Aramina]

You know, tha's got me thinking. How would SCH's cope is Aetherflow was further nerfed to not give back ANY mana, and Energy Drain only gave back HP (not MP). Thus a SCH's ONLY means of mana regeneration would be Lucid Dreaming. Do you think they'd be willing to use LD then?

That's kinda how it is (for me) already. Aetherflow's mana return in itself is very minor so I am just treating it as a bonus, and rare are the occassions that I have spare stacks to use on ED. Using Lucid Dreaming as soon as none of it would go to waste, and then on cooldown (assuming it won't fail the prior test as well) is plenty.

[Lildragora]

Lucid Dreaming is very much a solution. Refusing to accept it is the individuals' issue.

A solution to a problem that didn't exist for the most part /clap

Seriously though, it is nice having the two forms, but it does make role action a little less exciting.

[Elleia]

The issue is SCH never needed a Lucid Dream ability. Aetherflow was its MP regain ability. and it was perfect. Now, I recover MP that is tiny compared to the cost of my spells....I don't want to waste a spot in role actions for Lucid Dream when say I could have my old class action of Eye for an Eye.

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

[Lildragora]

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

or if anything they could have increased the refresh potency. Instead of generate a problem where there was none.

[Jijifli]

I think that this is exactly what SE was going for, though. WHM and AST basically NEED to take Lucid Dreaming, else they need to rely solely on Thin Air/Assize and RNG ewer cards respectively. SE probably nerfed aetherflow MP gain so that SCH would need to take the skill as well, making it more "fair". I still think this is a skill that never should have been put into role skills and that SoS and LA should have remained as they were. That way, aetherflow could have remained unchanged too.

I thought Square wanted Role actions to all be optional based on the fight you're doing.

So if Lucid Dreaming is a requirement to not starve in content period, then it failed.

[alimdia]

I thought Square wanted Role actions to all be optional based on the fight you're doing.

So if Lucid Dreaming is a requirement to not starve in content period, then it failed.

Healers got the short end of the stick with role actions, like half of them aren't really optional if you consider runs won't always go perfect.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Lucid Dreaming is very much a solution. Refusing to accept it is the individuals' issue.

This. It's not going back to the way it used to be, so either adapt or get out.

[Kazrah]

I would argue the biggest issue for SCH now is that it's starting to suffer the same issue that WHM did in 3.x: lost identity. Its healing specialty of damage absorption is currently dwarfed by how much more effectively AST can use it with Nocturnal Sect.

Oh, and let's not forget that AST tops it in terms of raid support as well since no amount of damage a SCH can deal will ever top how many times an AST could use an AoE Balance in one fight.

[Selova]

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I play scholar just fine, thank you very much.
If you are that terrible at managing your mana that you have to waste AF stacks on ED, I think you have bigger problems that need addressing.

[loreleidiangelo]

I don't foresee the Aetherflow and fairy nerfs being reverted; sorry SCHs, but I think those were a little necessary given your strengths in Heavensward. That said, I in no way think the healers are well-balanced now, and think the Adlo and Bane nerfs were fairly moronic all things considered. Astrologian also needs an overarching nerf, most notably to Balance and their shields in Nocturnal Sect. WHM is a bit bland to me, but aside from some small QoLs involving lilies I think they're in a good spot right now.