the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[RyuDragnier]

You shouldn't have MP issues... Learn to use Lucid Dreaming like every other caster.

Tell that to Susan EX. Even with LD you run out of MP so fast due to how many times you have to AoE heal in that fight. Succor is 2280MP per cast, Resurrection is 3600MP, my max MP is 18132. If anybody goes down and I have to rez, right before an Ukehi, I'm using around 8160 MP and 2 Aetherflow stacks. That's almost half my MP right there, because doing Swiftcast + Resurrection, throwing down Sacred Soil followed by a Succor before the Ukehi, and Succor in the middle of the Ukehi+Indom immediately after the succor goes out. This is of course assuming the free Succor proc from Sacred Soil does not occur.

If I pop Aetherflow right there, I'm only getting 1813MP back, not enough to cover any single spell cast here. I pop Lucid Dreaming, but then IT HAPPENS AGAIN. I'm seriously low on MP at this point, and am basically screwed if anything else goes wrong. And before you say the other healer should do it, imagine they're the one going down. The insane MP costs on Succor and Adlo combined with the Aetherflow usage make the fight a serious pain on any SCH. Reverting the Aetherflow MP heal to HW levels brings the MP heal to 3626, enough to cover the Resurrection and give me some breathing room, if only for a little while. Hell, I'd go for reducing the recast timer on Indom to 1s to put it on line with Lustrate and eliminate the Succor spam period, or even a 4th aetherflow stack.

[QooEr]

maybe you should learn how to heal. youre overhealing way too much. i BARELY heal in susano and nobody dies. literally one succor or one indom before and after ukehi + whispering dawn is enough. no need to waste your aetherflow stacks on sacred soil which is never needed ever. you can also do a deployment tactics before ukehi and everyone is fine.

with lucid dreaming sch actually has the best mp recovery.
WHM: Lucid Dreaming + assize (10% mp every minute)
AST: Lucid Dreaming + 3 ticks of lucid dreaming (less than 10% every TWO minutes)
SCH: Lucid Dreaming + aetherflow (10% mp every minute) + 3 energy drains every minute + 3 energy drains at the beginning of the fight from prepull aetherflow + dissipation in case of emergency

im really confused as what content youre all doing because the only times anyone needs to aoe heal spam has been akh morns (which have been solo healed by a scholar), photon > whirlwind (the one in tower phase, the one in the first phase scholars actually solo healed that part in speedruns, with just a preemptive succor, an indom and an emergency succor) in a11s and j waves in a8s. if y'all learned to waste less of your mp in useless heals you wouldnt have these problems.

and if people are dying, its really not scholar's fault, its the group's fault. healers arent designed around carrying bad pf groups

[RyuDragnier]

maybe you should learn how to heal. youre overhealing way too much. i BARELY heal in susano and nobody dies. literally one succor or one indom before and after ukehi + whispering dawn is enough. no need to waste your aetherflow stacks on sacred soil which is never needed ever. you can also do a deployment tactics before ukehi and everyone is fine.

Maybe the fact that I'm even doing this to begin with is the hint on what's going on...I'm overhealing because I'm with a pug healer and they're healing too slow, I have to cover their side else the party wipes. I Sacred Soil to lessen the burden on myself for this, and you can't Deployment Tactics for every Ukehi. I Whispering Dawn during the jump ropes to avoid having to waste more MP unless somebody fails the jump rope. The only time I don't have to do any of this is when I'm running with the FC, but we're not doing that 24/7, I have to do this with pugs sometime.

[magnanimousCynic]

with lucid dreaming sch actually has the best mp recovery.
WHM: Lucid Dreaming + assize (10% mp every minute)
AST: Lucid Dreaming + 3 ticks of lucid dreaming (less than 10% every TWO minutes)
SCH: Lucid Dreaming + aetherflow (10% mp every minute) + 3 energy drains every minute + 3 energy drains at the beginning of the fight from prepull aetherflow + dissipation in case of emergency

Your list is so incomplete it almost screams SCH bias.

• What about WHM's Thin Air? That's 0 MP cost for 12 seconds. If you had to do PoM + Medica I spam you save about 10k MP. And if you had to, you could spam 6 Cure III to save nearly 14k MP.

• AST has Lightspeed which reduces MP cost by 25% for 10 seconds while reducing cast times by 2.5 seconds. If you had to spam 4 Helios then you saved 1440 MP.

• AST can also draw Ewer, which is a base 50 potency refresh for 5 ticks. Extending or Enhancing it can increase this MP regen further.

• With the AST stuff in mind, they can do Extended Ewer + LD + Lightspeed + CO if MP issues are that severe.

Those 3-6 energy Drains used at the start of a pull are usually used for DPS, not MP, so they shouldn't be counted as so unless you can somehow spend enough MP in the first 60 seconds to get the full MP benefit of SIX Energy Drains. Spoiler Alert! Most likely not.

Others have commented on the relative MP cost of an AF stack when not used for Energy Drain so I won't go into that.

EDIT #1: Also forgot that AST has a cheaper toolkit as a whole compared to WHM and SCH, indirectly giving them better MP regen.

[Kazrah]

• AST can also draw Ewer, which is a base 50 potency refresh for 5 ticks. Extending or Enhancing it can increase this MP regen further.

You're also forgetting Celestial Opposition can also extend not only Ewer, but Lucid Dreaming as well.

[Tint]

Your list is so incomplete it almost screams SCH bias.

if you really want a complete list you should include the fairy - she is maybe not that strong, but heals for 0 mp cost.

[Mikhaill]

maybe you should learn how to heal.

You're forgetting one very important skill, from WHM: Thin Air.
Dissipation IMO, will ALWAYS be a horrible skill. SCH is a PET JOB!
Why are we killing our fairy? I'm shocked they didn't tweak or remove it.
And then you have to waste MP to get her back again.
What you said just makes it sound like Aether is solely used for ED.
I kinda need those for Sacred Soil and Indomitably you know...
Not staring at my book and go "Hm! Lemme just use this for for ED onry!" and attack lol.

[silverlunarfox]

The issue is SCH never needed a Lucid Dream ability. Aetherflow was its MP regain ability. and it was perfect. Now, I recover MP that is tiny compared to the cost of my spells....I don't want to waste a spot in role actions for Lucid Dream when say I could have my old class action of Eye for an Eye. But that's the SCH I like. 2.0-3.0 SCH was a blast to play. To heal and dps. Now the fairy gets nerfed, AGAIN, aetherflow nerfed while still on an insane 60s cooldown with how little it regains, while yes Energy Drain is an option, it's not the solution. Nor is Lucid Dreaming. Tweaking costs to fit the nerf, if they want to keep it that way, is possible. Or for god's sake if you want to keep nerfing the fairy, bump the heal on our physick.....or give us a physick 2 for a bigger heal....Anything.....cuz now its really hard to heal tanks that avoid damage mitigation like the plague..... T.T

[Ayer2015]

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Lucid Dreaming is very much a solution. Refusing to accept it is the individuals' issue.

[Paladinleeds]

Lucid Dreaming is very much a solution. Refusing to accept it is the individuals' issue.

You know, tha's got me thinking. How would SCH's cope is Aetherflow was further nerfed to not give back ANY mana, and Energy Drain only gave back HP (not MP). Thus a SCH's ONLY means of mana regeneration would be Lucid Dreaming. Do you think they'd be willing to use LD then?