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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    But physick isn't higher mana cost, like I mentioned 2 physick = 800 potency for 1200 MP, 1 lustrate is 600 potency for 1200 MP.

    If you want to say they destroyed SCH identity by making physick the most attractive and unexpensive heal on a healer that is supposed to be shield based, then fully agreed, the cost of adlo should be lowered, but using aetherflow heals should be restricted to when you NEED to if there's risk of running out of MP, or whenever you want to if there's no OOM risk.

    If aetherflow is off cd and you still have stacks, spend them on ED and put it on cd, keep aetherflow always on cd. The only times I've been OOM is when I die and LD is on cooldown.
    Galvanize is also no longer overwritten, so you actually waste adloqium/succor if the shield has not fallen off. Likewise with AST's Nocturnal Sect shields. So in a sense they made it so that people need to stop spamming things just because they're there and use them more strategically.
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    The MP restore on aetherflow is one of those situation where it will get better as gear progresses. Energy Drain, on the other hand, will lose its value the deeper into the expansion we go as it is a set amount based on level. They can buff the potency or cast time, but the MP cost in relation to max MP will feel less of a burden as ilevel goes up so asking them to reduce the MP cost, instead of looking into other areas where sch suffers, might hurt sch in the true long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    The MP restore on aetherflow is one of those situation where it will get better as gear progresses. Energy Drain, on the other hand, will lose its value the deeper into the expansion we go as it is a set amount based on level. They can buff the potency or cast time, but the MP cost in relation to max MP will feel less of a burden as ilevel goes up so asking them to reduce the MP cost, instead of looking into other areas where sch suffers, might hurt sch in the true long run.
    I agree. My biggest issue with SCH right now is the lower/boring DPS. I know healing is their main function, but their DPS is what set them apart and now they don't really have that anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    I agree. My biggest issue with SCH right now is the lower/boring DPS. I know healing is their main function, but their DPS is what set them apart and now they don't really have that anymore.
    Only with gear that has Piety on it, which I'm sure most will avoid in favor of Critical Hit/SS/DET
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    I agree. My biggest issue with SCH right now is the lower/boring DPS. I know healing is their main function, but their DPS is what set them apart and now they don't really have that anymore.
    Except, SCH still has the second best DPS after White Mage on single target. AST has better AoE but we have better ST. So for trials and raids where there's usually one boss to kill, SCHs damage is still pretty high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    The MP restore on aetherflow is one of those situation where it will get better as gear progresses. Energy Drain, on the other hand, will lose its value the deeper into the expansion we go as it is a set amount based on level. They can buff the potency or cast time, but the MP cost in relation to max MP will feel less of a burden as ilevel goes up so asking them to reduce the MP cost, instead of looking into other areas where sch suffers, might hurt sch in the true long run.

    Isn't the energy drain return based on damage dealt and thus, would actually get stronger over the expansion with gear? Whereas Aetherflow benefits from piety, something SCHs don't exactly gear for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII View Post
    Isn't the energy drain return based on damage dealt and thus, would actually get stronger over the expansion with gear? Whereas Aetherflow benefits from piety, something SCHs don't exactly gear for.
    The HP restored from it is influenced by damage dealt yes, but the MP return is fixed.
    From the tooltip: "Additional Effect: Absorbs a portion of damage dealt as HP and restores MP"
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    While I agree sch is still plenty viable,i can definitely feel the difference in mp.
    Is it a pain in the butt? Sure. Can you still manage? Yeah. Just have to plan a but more.


    That said, I wouldn't mind them putting sch at more of a mid point between what it was and what it is now.
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    You shouldn't have MP issues... Learn to use Lucid Dreaming like every other caster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    You shouldn't have MP issues... Learn to use Lucid Dreaming like every other caster.
    You can actually SCH without Lucid Dreaming to be honest, but it takes a certain level of not-screwing-upness to be able to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iveriad View Post
    But trying to prove a point by being hyperbolic, using all three Aetherflow stacks on three Energy Drain beats the point of having Aetherflow stacks. And using Dissipation to get another three Energy Drain on top of that.... That's just bad.
    Since Aetherflow stacks should be saved for emergency especially if it's on cooldown, not wasted on a back to back six Energy Drains.
    Well, the issue for myself is I constantly see myself in situations where I have to use AF stacks on Energy Drain because it's come back off cooldown, so I don't understand how using AF stacks on Energy Drain warrants humiliation. And using Dissipation to get 3 AF stacks isn't exactly unheard of, but it is a last resort for me, I don't normally use it.
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