the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Iveriad]

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

It is. And I do use Aetherflow for Energy drain whenever I have leftover stacks. As in, no one is dying, and/or the boss is not in WTF AoE spam phase, and my Aetherflow is not in cooldown. In which case I just use all my remaining stacks for Energy Drain and refresh the stack. And keep on doing what I was doing before.

But trying to prove a point by being hyperbolic, using all three Aetherflow stacks on three Energy Drain beats the point of having Aetherflow stacks. And using Dissipation to get another three Energy Drain on top of that.... That's just bad.
Since Aetherflow stacks should be saved for emergency especially if it's on cooldown, not wasted on a back to back six Energy Drains.

[KisaiTenshi]

I played SCH earlier today on a roulette, got The Sunken Temple Of Qarn, this one is infamous for the first and second boss doing things that newbies screw up. Well they screwed up all of them.

So I was hitting the OOM point with these guys. However it seems like V4.0 cut Aetherflow and Energy Drain far more than I had anticipated. Aetherflow used to be 20% now it's 10%.

Lucid Dreaming (formerly Shroud of Saints on WHM) used to always recover a predictable amount of MP, and it seems like the developers adjusted Aetherflow in anticipation of healers always having this, but since it's in the "role system" it seems like an optional skill.

[LalaRu]

Will not understand, when healing was a joke, everyone complaining it was a joke and they will dps because won't want die out of boredom, and now that healing is a joke no more, everyone complaining healing requiring effort. I welcome healing finally a thing for pro healers, and no more an alternative for bored dps players.

[Taika]

I welcome healing finally a thing for pro healers, and no more an alternative for bored dps players.

In what content healing is right now reserved for pro-healers?

[NorthernLadMSP]

After getting used to how SCH plays in SB, I rarely run low on MP. Proper use of LD and energy drain allows me to use Adlo whenever I need to. Honestly, the only situation where SCH is completely gutted at the moment is in dungeons. SCH has issues, but MP management is not one of them.

Exactly. I have to assume that people having MP issues are either a) bad players b) get stuck in awful DF groups c) don't use Lucid Dreaming correctly or d) a combination of the above

[Vilenya]

I really hate the idea of people throwing out atherflow and fairy heals as “free” heals. They are anything but “free”. We pay for these heals with completely gimped physics, aldo, and succor. The atherflow heals must be used to augment these other heals in order to perform our job. Saving atherflows for energy drain isn’t always an option, so relying on it for regular mana management is kind of fool hardy. Don’t get me wrong, it has its time and place and it definitely helps, but saying to just use ED if you need mana doesn’t help. There are mana issues with the class, not really as much at 70 with better gear (unless you have a bad group requiring a lot of aoe heals), but definitely during the 60 – 70 leveling stages. It’s not our biggest issue but it needs to be fixed to at least make the class more accessible to newer players. Is the class playable, yes, but it is not anywhere close to on par with the other two healers. No one is asking for faceroll easy, but people want to get the healing, support, mana, and dps issues fixed so that they are at least competing on the same level as the other two healers.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The only change I agree with is for them to lower the MP cost of Adlo and Succor a tad. But, yes fairy heals are free so don't play it off like they aren't. Aetherflow heals are MP free (yes they do have a stack cost).

[Vilenya]

The only change I agree with is for them to lower the MP cost of Adlo and Succor a tad. But, yes fairy heals are free so don't play it off like they aren't. Aetherflow heals are MP free (yes they do have a stack cost).

We can agree to disagree on that. You are right that they are free in the sense that they cost nothing to the caster. But they are not free in the sense that our other heals are comparatively weaker with higher mana costs to compensate for it. Trust me if it was truly "free" then where is my physic II, instant cast aldo, stronger succor, and the list goes on and on. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should have these things, but also don't sit there and say we don't pay a price for fairy and atherflow heals, because we do.

[NorthernLadMSP]

We can agree to disagree on that.

Well, here are my final thoughts on the matter.

I can see SE lowering the cost of Adlo and Succor because, while I don't have MP issues on SCH, they are very expensive compared to the other two healers.

However, for the people (not you, but in general) wanting the 20% back on Aetherflow - don't see it happening. They have already changed the cross role functions so that all casters and healers have access to Lucid. So, I would almost guarantee the 10% is here to stay. I also don't see them buffing the fairy heals back up to what they were back in ARR or HW.

[alimdia]

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But physick isn't higher mana cost, like I mentioned 2 physick = 800 potency for 1200 MP, 1 lustrate is 600 potency for 1200 MP.

If you want to say they destroyed SCH identity by making physick the most attractive and unexpensive heal on a healer that is supposed to be shield based, then fully agreed, the cost of adlo should be lowered, but using aetherflow heals should be restricted to when you NEED to if there's risk of running out of MP, or whenever you want to if there's no OOM risk.

If aetherflow is off cd and you still have stacks, spend them on ED and put it on cd, keep aetherflow always on cd. The only times I've been OOM is when I die and LD is on cooldown.