the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[Lildragora]

Not just in 3.x. I am glad to see it finally got hit with the nerf hammer, it was about time, now you gotta play like we did in 2.x and put some effort into that job while playing.

I mean if you consider the fact that staying in cleric stance for more sustained DPS in dungeons OP... i'd hate to see what balanced is. There's multiple reasons why it wasn't OP, everyone just see's the fact that they could stay in cleric stance longer and think it's OP. Well timed shields could certainly make some things easier.. and yes high gear levels in dungeons could let you stay in cleric almost indefinitely the same thing could be achieved with regens and the huge AOE dps brought by other healers.

Simply put, SCH was never OP, it was just desired because of its higher sustained DPS. Yes the fairy was a free regen, was single target and a decent potency. However no one really seems to compare it to the fact WHM or AST can cast party wide regens or even throw single target regens on whoever whenever, which better MP regen only helps with. The fairy is greatly overestimated. Combined with higher MP costs and lower potencies that have not really ever been increased, even Physick is weaker than a Cure I. All of the good healing abilities we have a locked in a 1 minute CD with 3 uses per.

What the fairy nerf showcases is exactly how out of date our abilities have become and how much the fairy was needed to make up for the weaker potencies. You try having your MP regen and AOE dps locked behind something you share with heals on a 3 time use on a 1 minute CD. Situational, yes; OP? no.

[Littlegreen]

Idk what OP does with their MP, but I've been regularly doing Susano EX as SCH and even after death have zero issues getting my mp back. Popping either or both LD and Aetherflow I still have MP to throw out succor when I need to and swiftcast Selene, then either drain aetherflow on Energy Drain or wait out LD timer, popping Rouse to help main healer. By 15 sec I have half my mp again. MP is a non issue if you know how to play the job.

What we need is an explosive heal similar to AST. Someone in a different thread brought up a change to Dissipation (which I don't think I've ever used except on accident) where as your fairy disappears it will throw out an AoE heal with an potency dependant on the fairy guage (on top of the 3 aetherflow gain). As it is now dissipation is just not encouraged with that guage there as it's emptied when the fairy disappears. A great emergency button and even more incentive to fill that guage instead of JUST for Fey Union (which I do love).

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I see nothing wrong. SCH was god tier for 2.x and 3.x, they needed to get toned down.

[rachcouture]

SCH is pretty much unplayable right now, especially with how... oblivious the average roulette player is. Lucid Dreaming barely even helps, nor does it make up for the severely gutted potency of our heals and mitigation compared to AST.

I honestly don't get it; healers were where they needed to be by the end of 3.0. Why tamper with them in a way that makes 2 out of 3 crippled?

[Nominous]

SCH is pretty much unplayable right now, especially with how... oblivious the average roulette player is. Lucid Dreaming barely even helps, nor does it make up for the severely gutted potency of our heals and mitigation compared to AST.

I honestly don't get it; healers were where they needed to be by the end of 3.0. Why tamper with them in a way that makes 2 out of 3 crippled?

Apparently they weren't where they needed to be, considering the general consensus from healers (and tanks) coming into 4.0. I tend to agree, since WAR, and SCH have both been in the spotlight since Second Coil, AST only coming into popularity during Creator.

Give them time. They'll get it right, even if it takes a while.

[Archamgel]

What the fairy nerf showcases is exactly how out of date our abilities have become and how much the fairy was needed to make up for the weaker potencies.

This right here is exactly why I don't understand why other healers call Eos a "free regen". We pay for her in how much less potency our heals have. And that's without considering we don't always have them available since they need Aetherflow

[Jonnycbad]

SCH also has 3 ways to recover mana.

[pushin_tin]

After getting used to how SCH plays in SB, I rarely run low on MP. Proper use of LD and energy drain allows me to use Adlo whenever I need to. Honestly, the only situation where SCH is completely gutted at the moment is in dungeons. SCH has issues, but MP management is not one of them.

[Selova]

If you are spending aetherflow stacks on energy drain, you are doing it wrong. ED needs to be removed, it is useless and there are way way better things to spend AF on.

[alimdia]

If you are spending aetherflow stacks on energy drain, you are doing it wrong. ED needs to be removed, it is useless and there are way way better things to spend AF on.

ED is neither useless nor needs to be removed, you lack understanding of how to properly play SCH if you think ED is useless.

For OP: anyone running out of MP isn't using LD enough.