the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[pushin_tin]

After getting used to how SCH plays in SB, I rarely run low on MP. Proper use of LD and energy drain allows me to use Adlo whenever I need to. Honestly, the only situation where SCH is completely gutted at the moment is in dungeons. SCH has issues, but MP management is not one of them.

[Selova]

If you are spending aetherflow stacks on energy drain, you are doing it wrong. ED needs to be removed, it is useless and there are way way better things to spend AF on.

[Laerune]

Scholar was OP and I understand why they were nerfed hard, but why was AST who was OP before SB also not nerfed, but instead buffed? AST is a better Scholar now, better shields and instant cast ones.

[ErryK]

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

[alimdia]

If you are spending aetherflow stacks on energy drain, you are doing it wrong. ED needs to be removed, it is useless and there are way way better things to spend AF on.

ED is neither useless nor needs to be removed, you lack understanding of how to properly play SCH if you think ED is useless.

For OP: anyone running out of MP isn't using LD enough.

[Daralii]

Scholar was OP and I understand why they were nerfed hard, but why was AST who was OP before SB also not nerfed, but instead buffed? AST is a better Scholar now, better shields and instant cast ones.

Overcompensating for the year+ during HW when they were in the same place SCH is now.

[Aerowaffle]

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

Energy Drain does give mana back. But it's almost universally better to use that aetherflow for one of your free heals. If you use it for energy drain then you have to drain that mana (and then some) on expensive heals because you're now playing catch-up, you're not only down net mana gain but also down on HPS.

[KisaiTenshi]

I played SCH earlier today on a roulette, got The Sunken Temple Of Qarn, this one is infamous for the first and second boss doing things that newbies screw up. Well they screwed up all of them.

So I was hitting the OOM point with these guys. However it seems like V4.0 cut Aetherflow and Energy Drain far more than I had anticipated. Aetherflow used to be 20% now it's 10%.

Lucid Dreaming (formerly Shroud of Saints on WHM) used to always recover a predictable amount of MP, and it seems like the developers adjusted Aetherflow in anticipation of healers always having this, but since it's in the "role system" it seems like an optional skill.

[Alleo]

I find it funny all those people talking down to the guy who promoted Energy Drain use. It's a legitimate way to get MP back.

Because monsters hit way harder and you dont always have perfect tanks that handle their cooldowns correctly. Also I still have so many tanks that just pull everything in leveling dungeons even though people might not be geared for this. Using Energy Drain to get back mana means that I dont have any of my high healing skills left to use. So if the tanks takes some really big hits I would not be able to heal him up fast enough. Also I never got the feeling like I get much back with it.

I dont have mana problems in every fight but I did notice that its way harder to keep someone up if not everyone knows what to do.

[alimdia]

Energy Drain does give mana back. But it's almost universally better to use that aetherflow for one of your free heals. If you use it for energy drain then you have to drain that mana (and then some) on expensive heals because you're now playing catch-up, you're not only down net mana gain but also down on HPS.

Make use of your fairy skills, if aoe dmg went out but no more aoes are coming anytime soon use rouse + whispering dawn or fey illumination + whispering dawn instead of indomitability.


If we put the value of 1 aetherflow stack at 1200 MP (what ED restores), you're paying 1200 MP for 600 heal potency every time you lustrate, but two physicks are 800 heal potency for the same cost. In 8 man content let your cohealer's regen (if any) do their job instead of overhealing.

I'm oversimplifying the scenarios but the point is, play it smart with your AF stacks, most people I've met in DF waste their stacks panic-healing. If you check the top scholars in DPS rankings you will see a quite liberal usage of energy drain.

So I would say that no, it's not "almost universally better" to thoughtlessly burn your instant heals that cost 1200 MP in the same thread where people are complaining about lacks of way to recover MP. If you have to use them to keep people alive, do it, but if there's no emergency don't burn your AF stacks on nothing.