the mp recovery from aetherflow isnt even enough for one adlo

[QooEr]

All groups are not bastions of excellence either. We're not claiming that SCH should be able to carry groups of players that fail every mechanic, we're talking about the relative power of SCH compared to other healing roles. And more specifically, the mana efficiency to HPS of SCH compared to those other roles.

i do agree that scholar cant aoe heal spam and could probably use a buff in its healing or mp costs, but so far aoe heal spam hasnt been needed most of the times (and besides, you have a cohealer. if a fight is seriously so heal intensive that you need to desperately aoe heal spam its not like youre going to be solo healing it or dual sch). as for mp efficiency, indom and lustrate "cost" 1200 mp (that aetherflow stack could be used on an energy drain, which gives 1200 mp). so you have scholar with an instant aoe heal for 1200 mp. helios costs 1440 and medica 1680. you also get deployment tactics aka 300 potency aoe "heal" for 1800mp or 900 potency if the adlo crits. whispering dawn is a completely free medica 2 (and you can rouse it so it does 40% more every single time).

for single target healing theres also the fairy (nerfed, granted, but its still completely free 250 potency healing every 3 seconds. over a minute thats 5000 potency per minute which is way higher than essential dignity or tetragramaton) and fey union, a 480 potency REGEN on a single target. and adlo might cost 600 mp more than a lustrate, but since it can crit and double its shield effectiveness its probably a fair tradeoff

the cost for succor though... i dont know why its so high

[Ametrine]

The fairy gauge is only up and working when fairy is up. If you dissipate your fairy, none of your aetherflow skills add to the gauge as it can't charge the fairy if there isn't one. :/

I don't know off the top of my head if the gauge amount is reset upon resummon since I so rarely use Dissipation.

[RichardButte]

I mained SCH in 3.X but switched to AST because I wanted a challenge when healing.

It wasn't that SCH didn't have a high skill ceiling. It absolutely did. It's just that the class was basically impossible to screw up with (unless you were doing savage content or something). AST could go OOM in seconds (and kinda still can if damage gets bad and you don't draw enough Ewers), but 3.X SCH could fling gobs of mana at the boss with both hands and never have to worry about it.

That said, the nerf in 4.0 is absolutely overkill, yes.

It's strange: the dev team nails it on some classes but fails it on others (mainly WAR, MCH, and SCH).

[Ametrine]

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See, this is the kind of things that make Scholar seem a-okay on paper.

But between the heavy handed nerfs, you miss the fact that so many of the new skills fail to synergize between ourselves and co-healers.

Dissipation kills the fairy, giving us MP and Aetherflow, but halts Fairy Gauge build-up.

Excog is completely wasted if your co-healer is keeping the player with it on above 50%HP.

A tethered fairy cannot do anything while tethered except the single target regen and the range is so short she's needs to be in the line of fire to use it.

Losing Eye for and Eye to the role pool lessens the utility of Deployment Tactics. Most Scholars, myself included, are grabbing Lucid Dreaming or Largesse, instead.



And no one has mentioned the shameful, dumpster fire that is SCH in PVP.

[QooEr]

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literally every healer needs synergy if youre putting it this way. with good synergy, scholar helps both healers maximize their dps. why do you think almost every speedrun takes scholar even back in heavensward?

dissipation kills the fairy halting fairy gauge, yes, and thats why healers plan their skill usage around fights. if people just blindly pressing buttons its obvious why theyre having problems with scholar

if your cohealer keeps the player at abopve 50% excog isnt "wasted". i would stop healing and let my heal happy cohealer do whatever they want because overhealing is useless.

a tethered fairy cant do anything, yes, but the gain on single target heal is way more significant. i really rather be closer to the tank (which a lot of people should be anyways if you want the fairy buffs to reach everyone) and not worry about healing a tank thats taking constant damage too much than have some embraces.

eye for an eye is really almost negligible. its unreliable and it only gives a chance for 10% reduction AFTER the damage happens. a tank's reprisal or a dps feint/addle are more useful by a lot. Lucid dreaming is a must on all healers and if ppl dont have it on scholar its probably why theyre complaining about mp.

[Eloah]

I just couldn't read some of these posts anymore. It's clear who plays the job extensively and who maybe dabbles in it. If you take a Skill at face value then there is something wrong with you. I feel many people are missing the forest for the trees. You wanna focus on one aspect and point out what it does and why it might need a nerf/buff, but you have to look at everything as a whole. SCH wasn't OP as people want to indicate, our kit was just that solid, very few skills that were meaningless and everythgin flowed nicely together, really only Silent Dusk was our only "bad" skill. WHM and AST's kits weren't as tight-nit; stoneskin, repose, fluid aura, some card combos, collective unconscious, noct sect (when AST firt launched at least) those skills and many more didn't add much to the flow of battle. Now SCH is the one whose kit is a mess. We need that fixed.

[paoweeotter]

I haven't had any MP problems healing the delta raids as a SCH thanks to lucid dreaming, aetherflow, energy drain and deployment tactics with adlo. I can post a screenshot of ACT but I am constantly above the WHM in Encounter HPS with low overhealing in my PUG last night. Stats look some thing like

WHM 1.5m EncHPS 50% Overheal 1800 DPS
SCH 2.0m EncHPS 25% Overheal 1700 DPS

[Rawrz]

I haven't had any MP problems healing the delta raids as a SCH thanks to lucid dreaming, aetherflow, energy drain and deployment tactics with adlo. I can post a screenshot of ACT but I am constantly above the WHM in Encounter HPS with low overhealing in my PUG last night. Stats look some thing like

WHM 1.5m EncHPS 50% Overheal 1800 DPS
SCH 2.0m EncHPS 25% Overheal 1700 DPS

HPS means nothing without DPS and still means almost nothing after, unless you continue to compare it to other groups with similar dps.

[Ametrine]

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You bet every healer needs synergy! This is part of why Astrologian is so powerful. They lack skills that actively contradict others.

Dropping the fairy to dissipate her for MP was constantly brought up as a means to deal with MP problems, but the loss of her heals is a high cost that's hard to justify. That said, strategizing for Aetherflows is good play. So, no argument there.

Excognition costs a valuable Aetherflow and drops off if the player under it's effect never loses half HP in 30 seconds. That's what I would consider overhealing and a waste.

The fairy tether is an issue for me as it's not just embrace that I'm losing. I'm losing ALL of her skills until I break it or the gauge is depleted.

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[Ametrine]

The act of tethering also forcefully places my fairy, so it's extra steps to get her to safety if AoE's drop. I know it's personal preference, but I find keeping her relative location near me helps to manage her range and keep her out of stupid.

.I've heard this argument regarding E4E being weak, it doesn't change the fact that it removes one ability Deployment CAN spread off the table, which hurts the skill.

Everyone has Lucid. Everyone is accounting for Lucid access on top of Aetherflow, which only restores 10% MP verses 20% despite our increased MP costs. No one wants to rely on drains as we give up half of our kit to do so. It isn't a good answer.