Party Finder: MCH not allowed

[HyoMinPark]

These PF groups explicitly excluding jobs (not only MCH, but other jobs that are in need of some TLC from SE) are probably like those ilvl 315/three mistakes = kicked/one wipe = disband/high deeps/no baddies/pls skip soar groups that can't manage to get in a single clear, and clear parties fair better than them. I've been in Lakshmi groups with jobs like RDM, SAM, NIN, and MNK where I am pulling higher DPS on my BRD than them. I've also been in Susano groups with SMNs and BLMs doing very well in terms of DPS, sitting close to the top while also properly handling the mechanics.

Sadly, I can't speak much on MCH since I haven't seen many MCH in my groups (not from exclusion but I guess from where MCHs switched to other jobs after seeing how hard their job got screwed--I have encountered 2 so far in SB, one in V3.0 and the other in Bradam's Mettle).

I've never personally encountered any groups like this, but it's silly for people to exclude jobs based on things beyond their control. This isn't me saying MCH isn't in desperate need of some sort of rework, but just expressing the idiocy of assuming that a "meta" comp is the only decent comp to go with. Like I said, I've met SAMs and RDMs that barely pull over 2,000 DPS. I'm sure a skilled MCH could pull better than that, even with their design flaws.

[EdwinLi]

Sadly, I can't speak much on MCH since I haven't seen many MCH in my groups (not from exclusion but I guess from where MCHs switched to other jobs after seeing how hard their job got screwed--I have encountered 2 so far in SB, one in V3.0 and the other in Bradam's Mettle).
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MCH was always the lowest populated Job to begin with since they were released in 3.0.

I rarely encountered other MCH in any 4 member dungeon and in 24 member raid most often there would only be 1 other MCH other than me or none at all. It was rare for me to see even 2 other MCH in 24 member raids.

[Sylvain]

MCH only need a good buff on many of his potency.
The rotation is fun, gameplay is good, utility is always fine. -10% on boss and 30sec of 5% dmg taken is nothing to laugh at.

Beside the whole "let's buff potency" thing which by itself would be enough as long as handled properly.
One thing that must be changed is Rook Overdrive

The concept is actually very nice, you consumme your turret in a one big shot.
In practice, the damage they gave to the skill is currently too low.

Basically, using this skill and resummoning the turret assap result in a 15sec without a turret.
So beside a few cherry pick situation like Susano rocks or Lakshmi bubbleadds, there is no situation where you wanna loose 15sec of turret.
A good start would be to buff the skill damage so that using it does not mean DPS loss NOR gain.
It just convert the next 30sec of dmg into a big shot.

Doing so would make it a much more interesting skill as it would basically be an on demand huge burst and MCH-DPS would not be penalized for using it on priority target. At the same time, we do not want that skill to do more damage than what the turret would do in 30sec otherwise it would be another "use on CD" skill.
And I do believe the beauty of this skill is to be a situational skill that you use when you need it only. Not whenever it's up.

[EdwinLi]

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I think Overdrive just need a complete revamp.

Remove the part where the Turret is destroyed and replace the current attack with a new attack such as....

Rook Turret - fires 3 hits of 250 potency shots in a gatling gun animation effect in one attack.

Bishop Turret - create a electric field that hits 3 times in one attack with a potency of 180 per hit.

Overdrive cooldown to use the skill again is already long enough thus the Turret does not need to be removed/destroyed.

[Eir_Z]

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Overdrive just needs to be worth using. It's a strong attack, but it's only on par with a slug or clean shot and then you lose 2400 potency over the following 30 seconds which makes it a huge dps loss. So, really it needs to deal at least a 500 potency shot (probably closer to 750) and reduce its repair timer to 10-15s.

Oddly, the first impression I got from reading the ability text was that it charged up and released a massive hit. I was rather disappointed that it's basically a clean shot on an ogcd.

[Id_Slayer]

Come on Yoshi P and Devs! Please, if you are going to PURPOSELY with INTENT make a job the last DPS and then claim 'utility' then please share the entire meta game thought process and how you see MCH fitting into the puzzle of end-game compositions so we, as players, can understand why you have purposely made us incapable of being very useful to the point that even players who do not understand the job or play the job refuse us. Why do you even waste time with the job if you purposely make it bad and not explain when you can clearly tell the player base has always struggled even since heavensward to understand your vision on how the job is useful and fits into the gameplay/meta.

[Greedalox]

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May I see receipts for where Yoshi P said he intentionally wanted MCH to be behind BRD in utility and damage? Because I feel like you're putting words in his mouth. He may have wanted BRD/MCH to be the bottom DPS but I think a lot of the "purposefully making a job bad" is kind of maybe a bit of you projecting your thoughts onto a man who never said anything of the sort lol.

[Heimdalgc]

this is just sad

[Elnidfse]

he's very clearly not talking about clearing A1-4 savage. That raid in particular was a whole different can of worms. And people justifiably took every edge they could get.

[KalinOrthos]

Plus you're dealing with kids and young adults who game and still carry that high school clique mentality, don't forget that.

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"Didja hear? Kalin decided to go MCH!"
"O. M. G, are you serious? I invited her to my birthday party. Ugh, I can't have a DerPS at my party. She's SOOOOO not invited anymore."
"I can't wait to post this on my Linkshell. They're gonna laugh SO hard."

It's been a while, but I imagine FF14 High would be like this.