Thread: Some interesting numbers on 4.0 BLM

Since this thread is all about numbers:
Has anyone found out the Spell Speed breakpoint for 4.0 yet?
In Hw it was 16/17, but I couldn't find anything on Sb stat weights yet.

From a concept of class progression, it just doesn't make sense that any alteration of a lvl 60 3.0 rotation should be viable over what the intended lvl 70 4.0 rotation is meant to be. Ok, I guess UI is great for AOE since it lets you flare twice, but outside of that, where are the gains? You can't sell me on it's viability for the mere aspect of allowing me to get an extra tick of mana. I was hoping for something more when the changes to BLM were announced it regards to UI to phase us into our 4.0 rotation without looking back at 3.0. I think they could have fixed this by buffing our Fire IV to pre-nerf levels while under improved UI. That gives us a reason to want that Blizz 4 before going into AF.

Originally Posted by Kaalia_Stormborn

I think they could have fixed this by buffing our Fire IV to pre-nerf levels while under improved UI. That gives us a reason to want that Blizz 4 before going into AF.

Or just make it a general buff to all Fire spells with the Umbral Heart bonus.

"Also increases potency of Fire spells by 20."

Originally Posted by Pyitoechito

Or just make it a general buff to all Fire spells with the Umbral Heart bonus.

"Also increases potency of Fire spells by 20."

I think the bottom line is B4 needs to provide more than just a mana reduction, or it needs to fire off quicker to make a 4.0 rotation effective and appealing to us. How about making B4 an instant cast when having 3 stacks of UI? Let's say that would make our rotation out of AF: B3>B4 insta cast>T3>Foul (or however would be the best way to stack that for a full mana bar going into AF). A lot of the debate is that B4 just takes too long to cast and keeps us in UI for too long a duration. I mean, B4 is a minuscule speck in our overall damage chart, so I don't think an instant cast is overpowering or would break the game by any means and it reduces our time in UI considerably.

Originally Posted by Lelila38

Agreed, big thanks on all the effort you put into this, both the theory and the testing. I don't think anyone is still caring for that Blm guide, so might be time to do a new one.

Btw, about the Spell Speed issue I brought up earlier, a friend and I tested it out, Gcd decreases by 0.02 every 133 points invested in Spell Speed. You have to spend either 66 or 67 (alternating between increases) points to get an increase of 0.01.

I think I did say it was 66 a while back. Dervy's folk have crunched most steps for us in most stats.
I have this huge table that I need to format. Next week I'll put up a new thread, tied up with work
Not sure I'm the indicated person for this kind of job, but it's nice to collect all data in one place and I don't mind doing it x)

I don't know which thread to post this on, so I'll post it to both. Apologies if I'm doing this wrong.

So let me see if I got this straight. B4 is a dps loss, but openers and TC rotations make B4 a dps gain?

In single rotation,
If I understand this right, my goal is to: B4 opener, 3.X (5xF4 version), 4.X, 3.X (5xF4 version) with LL, 4.X, 3.X (5xF4 version), repeat from B4 opener...

As for the multiple target rotation,
These are my optimum rotations per enemy total atm:
2: T4 B4 F3 F4 F4 Flare Flare
3-5: T4 B4 F3 Flare Flare
6-8: T4 B4 F3 F2 F2 Flare Flare
9+: T4 F3 F2 F2 Flare

There was a disclaimer for progressing SpS that I left out...

Also, if this is correct, what number of enemies should I switch from single to multiple rotation. I believe in HW, we weren't supposed to switch from single until at least 3 enemies. Can we switch as soon as there is 2 enemies in SB?

Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo

So let me see if I got this straight. B4 is a dps loss, but openers and TC rotations make B4 a dps gain?

I believe from my understanding, this is correct, but if someone could confirm that'd be great. Also, if that new thread ever gets going, could it please get linked here =]