SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

[Eskuire]

I blew through all my leves leveling the gatherers. HOWEVER, most of the mob drops can be desynth'd from Kugane items if you have LTW desynth, I got Goldsmith to 70 in one day by buying a bunch of the accessories and desynthing them to get HQ ingots (which at the time we're completely RNG this was like...day 2 of early access), if you're willing to invest in it, could be worth it.

[MelficeAlmasy]

I blew through all my leves leveling the gatherers. HOWEVER, most of the mob drops can be desynth'd from Kugane items if you have LTW desynth, I got Goldsmith to 70 in one day by buying a bunch of the accessories and desynthing them to get HQ ingots (which at the time we're completely RNG this was like...day 2 of early access), if you're willing to invest in it, could be worth it.

This! I have gotten almost all the leather and dawn serge i need through desynth, it was very fast to level up to max and i already have ltw desynth at 320. Its really easy to level up even from scratch if you start now, but it wont be too profitable/money saver now. In the beginning of Stormblood Gazelle Leather was 250k on my server and you could by gazelleskin belt of gathering for 16k at a vendor which yielded about 30-35 leathers per 50 belt in my experience. Just start desynthing if you dont have them leveled!

[QT_Melon]

Anyone can get level 70 crafter if they just buy leve kits >.>

They won't get all the skills though of they don't know how to craft. They made the Stormblood job quests where you have to craft the item (in the Class Quest recipe) and turn it in.

With that said. I was using Mango7 Rolls guide on leves and used a guide for the CP indebted

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_cp_crafters/

None of these stats are hard to get to and friends that were lower geared than me surpassed me in getting their crafters. They used the time instead of spamming Raubahn Ex to get mats for future crafts.

[magnanimousCynic]

They used the time instead of spamming Raubahn Ex to get mats for future crafts.

How could they get materials for future crafts if they couldn't progress past the first few quests in SB MSQ?

Or am I reading this wrong?

[QT_Melon]

How could they get materials for future crafts if they couldn't progress past the first few quests in SB MSQ?

Or am I reading this wrong?

I saw a lot of people hit gathering and crafting to 70 because of collectibles. Since Gagana leather is a leve and early craft, many people instead of spamming Rauhban grabbed a ton of skins and the Alumen during that time and ground out leatherworker. Since you couldn't access the new leves, they simply accumulated and were able to spam a low level leve when it finally became available to get to 70 for LTW.

Many of the early mats they could gather turned out to be a benefit once they could reach Kugane and spam the leve. You can level up CRP for example with just "Beech Please" if you had enough leves.

A lot of 61 and higher collectibles never ask for mats higher than that level to make them. So that couldn't pass Raubahn just hung around the Reach and gathered. I did the same after getting frustrated during early access and grabbed the new collectibles for turn in: the branches and triphane. It was pretty good stuff, even if the stretch got longer because we couldn't get to new zones.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yhd-yEa7dPj2WY9X3t02w0P3WeDydVRCWWzQiBoifuA/htmlview?sle=true#

Here you can see the list of leves and some collectibles. You don't get leves where crafting items are higher than the level you're crafting and will generally be accessible anywhere. Same with collectibles. So like an X belt of Striking that is level 61 won't have a 67 ingredient in it.

[AdamZ]

I get that LTW are costly to level (WVR is not, it has more then enough items with inputs from land jobs only, and ALC you can do Persimmon Tannin at 66, or the teas which one require one WAR drop). That is why I "slow" level it, with the focus on GC turns, then only leves much later.

Personally, I think the high cost of WAR drops is a good thing. It is one of the few times you have largest Gil movement going from Crafters to WAR players only, and not just the normal slow burn of Crafters to Gathers. With Crafters just building stacks.

Personal experience is that it got me into Gathering and Crafting. At the lunch of HW my WAR retainer made me the few millions to gear up my miner for the first time, which lead me to level BTN, which lead to income to level crafters, etc.

At the end of the day, Gil moving through the economy is a good thing, without it happening who would buy your items at a 500% mark up?

(Also cost to make anything that is not a turn-in, be in GC, leves, or script, is pretty pointless, as the cost will just be passed on to the end consumer)

[grumpy]

i don't think there is an issue with this it's a matter of what is your priority to save gil and lvl up you farm these it takes time or you can just buy them off the mb and pay for someone's time ppl that farm or gather these also lose time while you do other things like lvl up help friend and so on its really up to you what your goals are i have farmed up to 3 stacks of these skins while i did lvl up so some ppl want to save time while others want to save gil you choose but key rule TIME IS MONEY or GIL in this case

[Princess_Momoka]

... in fact Leatherworker, Alchemist, Weaver, basically any recipe with a mob drop in it.
It is completely ridiculous that we are still in this situation with some of these drops. Limited spawn locations, low-ish drop rates and not dropping enough mats for recipes that are BASIC levelling recipes.

What baffles me even more is that during ARR 2.00 we had this same issue with Fleece and they added MORE spawn points and INCREASED the drop amounts of items so they knew things like this were an issue. Then came HW and they seemed to have forgotten all about it and now it continues.

This was also an issue for things like Dissolvents in HW which were a pain in the ass too, requiring 4 Deep Eye each which would not be such an issue if SO many of the recipes required them. It just becomes a huge time sink.

I hear that Weaver has it bad at the moment at 60 with many items needed dropped items again.

Now i'm not saying this is an issue with ALL mob dropped recipes, i'm fine with having to put some work in, but for BASIC stuff this should really not still be an issue. And it's such a shame because there are so many GREAT changes in the crafting system at the moment that my passion has been reinvigorated.

So please SE, take a look at these mob drop rates and increase them like you did in 2.00

EDIT: About retainers.

I was thinking about making a post on this very issue. You forgot about Diremite Web though, and it shocks me they keep repeating this mistake. Because of this, anything with Worsted Yarn/Dawn Serge ended up(ends up? I haven't looked at the prices in the last few days on my server) not worth crafting, even as something to sell, you have higher profit margins selling things that do not take those materials. It is so bad to buy the gear dirt cheap for the GC/leve turn ins that require gear with those mats from people mass selling them as MSQ quest rewards vs crafting them. The cloth for about a month or so was 65k, if you where even interested making something with one of those cloths, you where better off just making the cloths and selling those, then bothering making the gear.

[Catwho]

Yeah for 2.0 my retainers were on full time farm for Deepeye Tears and Chimera Hair and the leathers. With x4 battle retainers, I could get 40 items an hour.

Issue is I've only got one battle retainer at 70, and the other three are 60s on classes that..... I switched from being primaries at 60 because I didn't like them as much as alternates XD So while I'm a BRD DRK SMN SCH as my primaries, my retainers are unfortunately BRD WAR WHM BLM. I planned to get those to 70 eventually, but they took a backseat to the classes I enjoyed at 60 first. I'll probably dig into WHM BLM and WAR next purely for retainer purposes. Who knows, maybe I'll like them better at 70 than I did at 60...

But in the meantime, farming materials for Dawn Serge is absolutely horrible. I spent 45 minutes killing mobs with my chocobo the other day. It was a bit better last night, only 25 minutes for the 60 drops needed for a single piece of gear...

[QT_Melon]

But in the meantime, farming materials for Dawn Serge is absolutely horrible. I spent 45 minutes killing mobs with my chocobo the other day. It was a bit better last night, only 25 minutes for the 60 drops needed for a single piece of gear...

It's also psychologically irritating. From an immersion perspective, the manzasiri is a large animal/mob. To have something that big not able to cultivate its hair is rather ridiculous. (Right next to Spear Fishing I mean I get why regular fishing is RNG, but really...we're wandering around stabbing blindly with a spear? )

Leathers aren't as bad because it's only Skin --> Leather
Worsted Yarn and Dawn Surge (Steppe Surge) is because it's 2 Mob Drops that you need multiples of ---> Yarn then 3 Yarn ----> Cloth
That's why I had said before the other thread started, that it needed to be its own topic because the LTW rates weren't that bad, the mane was.