SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

[Driavna]

It's supposed to be one of the few ways to make money outside crafting during expansion early days, empty your pockets at the marketplace for now. However I agree, the number of materials required to craft something at this point (outside CUL) it's insane.

[Nixxe]

If a basic component for a prevalent first tier mat is expensive, you know the first tier mat will be even more expensive. Just buy it off the MB, craft, and flip. The problem solves itself. Why you would want this stuff to be cheaper is beyond me, unless you just really enjoy masochistically grinding garbage for pennies.

[magnanimousCynic]

Everything easy and fast to collect means no competition equals no market.

First off; we're specifically talking about level 61-70 LTW/WVR/ALC mats that drop from mobs, not "everything".

Also people are very lazy. Just because the base materials of an item are cheap or easy to grind for doesn't make the end product just as cheap.

Prime Example: at least 90% of all Furniture on the MB. It's very easy to find furnishings that can be crafted below 50 and require easy to obtain materials, yet somehow sell for more than ten to twenty times the price of the original materials!

Hell, if you pay attention to the Market Board you could easily sell Normal Quality VENDOR GEAR for decent profit.

If people are too lazy to find a vendor to buy an item for cheaper then they won't be trying to grind mob drops.



Focusing on the main topic, I've decided to likely save LTW/WVR/ALC for last once my Retainer is 70.

[ChloeGrace]

They have definitely upped the drop rate on halgai hair. I just picked up 21 in 10 minutes of farming. During early access, I couldn't even get that many in an hour.
Same for tiger hides. I'm getting about 50% drop rate, usually averaging 2 hides.
Yesterday, I had to farm some gag eggs. Couldn't believe how many skins I was getting. Ended up wth 34 in about half an hour.

Small sample size, i know, but yeah, farming these mats is now completely viable, unlike before.

[magnanimousCynic]

Mind sharing your routes/spots for mob farming? I may try some good old mob grinding out of pure desperation for Gagana and Tiger skins to level up my poor LTW.

[Elamys]

Considering this thread is about "LEATHERWORKER" umm yeah. The drop rate isn't that bad. If it was "SE We need to talk about Weaver" I actually agree because the maine and hair are a bit much.

We really gonna split hairs over the topic title? If you actually read the post, you'd know it's about the rate of mob drops in general, it's just that LTW is the class that comes to mind when you think of ones that need a lot of mob drops.

On the subject of "just buy the mats and flip it!" - yeah, that doesn't work on Balmung like 80% of the time, and if I'm not trying to make a profit, just trying to make turnins, why am I going to want to invest even more time and gil?

Again, we're not asking for a HUUUUGE buff. We want a REASONABLE buff so that it doesn't take TWO HOURS to get the materials off your retainer for ONE CLOTH. Good luck trying to farm mobs to get them a bit faster if you play a healer, tank, and/or on a populated server. Retainers are pretty much the only kind of reasonable solution it seems.

[Driavna]

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That's your personal choice (not wanting to invest time or gil) and SE should not change things around because of an abnormal situation with one server. Anyway (and again), mobs drops are supposed to be a source of income for non-crafter (now in special).

[QT_Melon]

We really gonna split hairs over the topic title?

Yes, your topic should absolutely have something to do with the subject. I don't post up the title "I need to go to the bathroom" if we're talking about gameplay mechanics, and then try to defend it with "well if you read the post, I'm talking about this problem". Since the focus was LTW, I disagree it has a problem it's pretty much fine. It needs not to be too easy because it's another gear/glamour crafter. I can understand the other ones having it but to be fair Weaver is usually big money due to gear and glamours so I think it needs to be more work to get that privilege. ALC I think I have sympathy for although Pots tend to be great for Raid content.

Also #Balmung problems.

Look I get that people don't want to move if they've invested in that server or been there a long time, but you're going to have to realize at some point the game should not cater to you if your server has issues due to being full.

I had to level my retainer anyways, so I may as well had it go get the mats I needed for crafting. Planning helped a lot leveling for leves. I only have 1 ADV retainer to get this too. The other mats I farmed while leveling up other jobs. I figure while I'm in the zone doing a FATE I may as well get the mats on the side.

[Elamys]

Look I get that people don't want to move if they've invested in that server or been there a long time, but you're going to have to realize at some point the game should not cater to you if your server has issues due to being full.

I had to level my retainer anyways, so I may as well had it go get the mats I needed for crafting. Planning helped a lot leveling for leves. I only have 1 ADV retainer to get this too. The other mats I farmed while leveling up other jobs. I figure while I'm in the zone doing a FATE I may as well get the mats on the side.

Look, I know that's a choice I make for playing on Balmung. I'm just pointing out that the logic a lot of people use doesn't apply to all servers. Balmung is not the only server that has a high population with a flooded market. But people looooove to hate on this server. Lmao. I'm not asking the game to cater to me because I play on Balmung. In all honesty, I have a bit of a leg up here because there are players to post the hairs/skins on the MB even if they average 3k+ a piece.

Again, we are talking about how horrendously low the rate of mob drops is. Asking for a slight buff does very little to impact profits from people farming mob drops to sell (and you know, DoW/M classes DO have other ways of making gil) and it's not going to break the game. It should not take 2-3 god damn hours to get the materials for one cloth because retainers are the only effective option.

And since you insist on talking about LTW because you have some weird obsession with the topic's title even though the topic itself is about mob drops for crafting, all leathers take 3 skins, a large amount of items take 2-3 skins, so that comes out to 2-3 hours to complete one LTW item using retainers. That's not great as well.

[Nixxe]

On the subject of "just buy the mats and flip it!" - yeah, that doesn't work on Balmung like 80% of the time,

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