SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

[Silverbane]

I wasn't going to reply again, but holy shit, don't accuse me of lying and then lie in the exact same post:



With that, I'm done. This has to be the most moronic exchange I have seen on these forums. Page upon page of drivel from some guy who just thinks he's better than everyone else.

And in your mind, "<Sigh> As if 4.0 didn't dumb down the game enough" (what I wrote) means "it would be "dumbing down" crafting to make a drop rate of a common item better" ?! Seriously, you think one means the other? HONESTLY?

Surely it would make your elementary grade teachers cry to learn you thought that, because clearly they failed you somehow. Seriously, look one of them up and see if they agree the one statement means the other. If you dare.

Now I don't think I'm better than everyone else: I will bow to Caimie, Katlyna, Roth, Rath, and a bunch of others here, and a boatload of the others in my profession. But I do seem to have much better reading comprehension skills than you do, because yours are demonstrably abysmal. And as annoying as you may find me, at least I stick to the facts, and don't blatantly misrepresent what others post.

"With that, I'm done" you say? Fine with me. You've dug your hole deep enough. And don't delude yourself that you've somehow wounded me with your nonsense, 'cause I'm grinning as I type this. Like I've mentioned, I argue for a living, and I like my job.

[magnanimousCynic]

So does anyone remember what this thread was originally about or are we just yelling at each other now?

If it's the latter who should I yell at?

[QT_Melon]

So does anyone remember what this thread was originally about or are we just yelling at each other now?

If it's the latter who should I yell at?

Well apparently someone is trying to win an internet war, just wondering what fabulous door prizes there are. Runners up receive their choice of Halgai Mane or Manzasiri hair, 2nd place winners get a worsted yarn, and grand prize is Dawn/Steppe Surge.

[Elamys]

Sorry about that, I had forgotten that you had mentioned that earlier (about the drop rate). I just replied to your post thinking that it was someone else that stated the drop rate was still bad.

It's okay, apparently my meaning in making the post wasn't clear enough anyways. I guess we could argue semantics all day; some of us lack the ability to think in broad terms. My point was that people shouldn't be defending such a low drop rate of an item of this nature (either in the past or in the future for similar items) with the defense of "you need to put in more work" because nothing else similar in the game is treated like that.

[QT_Melon]

It's okay, apparently my meaning in making the post wasn't clear enough anyways. I guess we could argue semantics all day; some of us lack the ability to think in broad terms. My point was that people shouldn't be defending such a low drop rate of an item of this nature (either in the past or in the future for similar items) with the defense of "you need to put in more work" because nothing else similar in the game is treated like that.

I remember one of the worst mats to make in HW, wasn't so much silkworm (and their odd renaming everything confusing everyone), Or even the 5 chimerical manes needed to make a felt. It was...

Void Glue.

Why void glue? It didn't drop from an overworld mob. This led to a lot of confusion...and so people HAD to use their retainers to get the item. The fact that it was a level 51 recipe made this more confusing.

I think now they've corrected this putting it as a reward for doing a FATE, but I don't think anywhere else in this game I've encountered an item needed in a regular recipe that was a restricted dungeon drop, and the only way to get around it was to use a DOW/M retainer to farm the item.

[Elamys]

I remember that. It was actually what pushed me to buy extra retainers because the pudding flesh was so difficult to get. I think I still have like 3 stacks of it stashed away somewhere though because I kind of...overkilled on it.

[xNewbx]

I would rather not have everything force fed to us. There's no point if there's no effort to obtain anything.

[Silverbane]

My point was that people shouldn't be defending such a low drop rate of an item of this nature (either in the past or in the future for similar items) with the defense of "you need to put in more work" because nothing else similar in the game is treated like that.

Nonsense. Getting the gear drop you wanted from a raid or the Diadem is exactly like that. So is getting the rare ponies.
Your just complaining that you either have to pay other people for the mats or work hard to get them.
Poor baby, is it that you just don't want anyone not a crafter to be able to make good gil by selling mats to crafters?

I mean, that's what it's about, right? Easy gil from crafting. Money for nothing, with how dumbed down (by Manipulation II and Prudent Touch) crafting is in 4.0.

[Elamys]

I would rather not have everything force fed to us. There's no point if there's no effort to obtain anything.

The amount of effort that was required didn't match the reward, which is what I'm trying to say here.

[Silverbane]

The amount of effort that was required didn't match the reward, which is what I'm trying to say here.

That's what lazy people usually say. Other people clearly disagree, because the items are out there on the marketboard (and have been for a while) if you want them.